Questions regarding the River Development

[Double A]

So it begins:                                           Dear Friend,

Please join me next Wednesday, September 5th at 5:30 p.m. as we kickoff the opening of the river vote campaign office!



Tulsa County Commission Chair Randi Miller and I will present information on how you can help get out the vote and distribute yard signs.



The kickoff will be held at campaign headquarters, 2121 S. Columbia in the Parkland Plaza building, west of Borders (map).



Be sure to visit www.OurRiverYes.com  for details about the campaign, or call 749-RIVER.



Its Our River and Our Future. Vote YES October 9th!



Kathy Taylor

Mayor

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

So it begins:                                           Dear Friend,

Please join me next Wednesday, September 5th at 5:30 p.m. as we kickoff the opening of the river vote campaign office!



Tulsa County Commission Chair Randi Miller and I will present information on how you can help get out the vote and distribute yard signs.



The kickoff will be held at campaign headquarters, 2121 S. Columbia in the Parkland Plaza building, west of Borders (map).



Be sure to visit www.OurRiverYes.com  for details about the campaign, or call 749-RIVER.



Its Our River and Our Future. Vote YES October 9th!



Kathy Taylor

Mayor

2121 S. Columbia?  

Say, isn't that the building owned by 21st Properties?  Isn't 21st Properties the Schusterman Financial Interests?

Isn't this location the same one used repeatedly by the Metro Tulsa Chamber Front organization:  Citizens for Tulsa?/

Flacking for EVERY Sales tax increase and sales tax renewal, flacking for street bond issues, flacking for TPS Bond issues, etc.??

Oh yeah, I'll definitely be THERE.  Wouldn't miss it for the WORLD!

[waterboy]

There has been plenty of "anti" coverage on TV, newprint and internet. Surely you don't begrudge your opposition the chance to state their case and promote it do you? Are you afraid they may make a better case than you have?

And surprise, one of its supporters lends the use of their building.

[ttown_jeff]

I don't care how pretty they make the Artist's renderings of planned development, it's always a good idea to put the "Best Laid Plans" in perspective.

The left photo is where you go to see what National Geographic Explorer Magazine featured a couple of weeks ago (BTW, the Explorer Mag is NOT National Geographic Magazine, should not confuse the two magazines).

The right photo is where you go to get drunk and lose all your money.

These photos were made tonight about a half mile from each other from opposite directions.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Rico

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[}:)]

You love to make nonspecific allegations like this.

let's get down to it, who locally is going to take in illegal profits from this vote? Be specific with your allegations.

Who said anything about illegal profits...

I just think the hurry up and go approach this project has taken... leaves an awful lot to the trust you have in Randi Miller and a purse full of Tax Money.....$

Oh yes... Can you tell me absolutely... according to the ballot you will be using to vote.. exactly what all this money will be spent on.?

[citizen72]

Zink lake has always had a predictable problem with sand buildup. What is going to be done this time to prevent this ongoing problem?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Rico

It's all about.....this$

and a little bit of that$

and a whole.... whole.... lotta..these$$$


[}:)]

You love to make nonspecific allegations like this.

let's get down to it, who locally is going to take in illegal profits from this vote? Be specific with your allegations.

Who said anything about illegal profits...

I just think the hurry up and go approach this project has taken... leaves an awful lot to the trust you have in Randi Miller and a purse full of Tax Money.....$

Oh yes... Can you tell me absolutely... according to the ballot you will be using to vote.. exactly what all this money will be spent on.?

I don't trust Randi at all, she's past time to go.

But, she will be only one vote. The city had it's third vote restored.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

Zink lake has always had a predictable problem with sand buildup. What is going to be done this time to prevent this ongoing problem?

There are a couple of things they will be doing to help with the current sand buildup problem.  

There is a bit about that in here.

http://www.incog.org/ark%20river/Reports/TVA%20Arkansas%20River%20Report%20Revised%205-17-07.pdf

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Rico

It's all about.....this$

and a little bit of that$

and a whole.... whole.... lotta..these$$$


[}:)]

You love to make nonspecific allegations like this.

let's get down to it, who locally is going to take in illegal profits from this vote? Be specific with your allegations.

Who said anything about illegal profits...

I just think the hurry up and go approach this project has taken... leaves an awful lot to the trust you have in Randi Miller and a purse full of Tax Money.....$

Oh yes... Can you tell me absolutely... according to the ballot you will be using to vote.. exactly what all this money will be spent on.?

I have a Question:

I see Our River Yes yard signs INSIDE of 12' of the curb.

Are they fair game for public-minded citizens to vacumn from yards?

Along with For Sale by Realtor signs inside of 12' of the curb?  There's a recent sighting of a stinkweed driving a Keller-Williams vehicle picking up Vote No signs.

Also, House Painting by Jose Morales signs?

[ttown_jeff]

Let the games begin!

Personally, I'm in favor of letting the bad guys  do the petty stuff and staying away from the sign pulling.  If you let just the bad guys do it, then you know who you are dealing with.

Otherwise, how do we know who the bad guys are?
Take the high road.  I would rather lose with my good conscience than win. But we're going to win too!

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Rico

It's all about.....this$

and a little bit of that$

and a whole.... whole.... lotta..these$$$


[}:)]

You love to make nonspecific allegations like this.

let's get down to it, who locally is going to take in illegal profits from this vote? Be specific with your allegations.

Who said anything about illegal profits...

I just think the hurry up and go approach this project has taken... leaves an awful lot to the trust you have in Randi Miller and a purse full of Tax Money.....$

Oh yes... Can you tell me absolutely... according to the ballot you will be using to vote.. exactly what all this money will be spent on.?

I don't trust Randi at all, she's past time to go.

But, she will be only one vote. The city had it's third vote restored.

True.. she will only be one vote.

All the representation given Tulsa on the "Arena" didn't get what the original concept looked like... Which... I thought was going to at least look like it was of another hemisphere..  The end result, IMO, will look something like you would find in "Road Warrior"..."Viva Heavy Metal"

I guess my main complaint about all this is that it seems like a TIF being called something else.
Rather than the sales tax and growth moving the River forward.... You will have all the "Leggo" pieces put together at once.

The result would be ,IMHO, like taking the Blue Dome District and landing all of the components at once... Rather than a transformation that has evolved with time... I like what it is becoming...

It is a slow process, granted, however.... To quote someone or another...
"practice makes perfect".  

[Double A]

Correction: Da Mare had her third vote restored. I trust her about the same as Rico trusts Randi Miller.                                                  

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

Zink lake has always had a predictable problem with sand buildup. What is going to be done this time to prevent this ongoing problem?

In accordance with the Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan, the proposed dams will have a different design that incorporates sand/silt management and passage features plus a significantly safer hydraulic design.  

Interestingly, had there be sufficient funds for the construction of Zink Dam it would have included a center set of gates (as proposed by the engineers at the time) that would have greatly helped with sand passage during high flow conditions.  Looking at current aerial photos of Zink is evident that this would have worked.

[Breadburner]

I would like to see the Crow Creek corridor developed from Riverside to Peoria.....And the purchase of the property at the South East corner of 31st and Peoria all the way back to Zink Park......

[RecycleMichael]

I agreed burner of bread.

A Crow Creek green corridor would be very nice. I don't know how much the land acqusition would cost nor how long it would take.

I am sure that some of the affected property owners could tie this thing up in court for years, and will, just for the sport of it.