Questions regarding the River Development

[YoungTulsan]

Theres about $15 million worth of homes there and many of them are pretty new construction.  Doubt that would fly.  Just that one property on the corner is very large, and perhaps a lot could be done there but yes it would make more sense to have the whole area between Peoria and the Park turned into something.  I say 31st and Peoria is fine how it is.  Midtown's generally better flowing traffic than the rest of town has a lot to do with the numerous major intersections with residential on all sides, no commercial developments clogging up the streets.

[Wrinkle]

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

One of the reasons I will be voting no.....

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

Just to be clear, the 41st Street combination vehicular and pedestrian bridge is in the Arkansas River Master Corridor Plan and the Major Street and Highway Plan, but NOT in the current tax plan on the table. And as you note, the current tax plan would eliminate a 41st Street combination vehicular and pedestrian bridge for most of our lifetimes. No one would dare plow up the QT "gathering place" to build a four-lane road.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

Just to be clear, the 41st Street combination vehicular and pedestrian bridge is in the Arkansas River Master Corridor Plan and the Major Street and Highway Plan, but NOT in the current tax plan on the table. And as you note, the current tax plan would eliminate a 41st Street combination vehicular and pedestrian bridge for most of our lifetimes. No one would dare plow up the QT "gathering place" to build a four-lane road.

I was complaining about that earlier, then someone said the pedestrian bridge and 41st gathering place would be offset to the north so that a 41st bridge could eventually go in.

Anyone have a definitive answer on this question?

[aoxamaxoa]

I'm hearing only %45 support this gift/tax scenario...and the Whirled will not go to print with the survey for fear the information will snowball into a big defeat....

Back to the drawing board.

A wise sage, and a name dropper to boot, told me the municipalities should have put together seperate bond issues for Sand Springs, Tulsa, Jinx, and Bigsbe.

Next time....unless GK takes his ball and goes home. Nah. He's not like those other dreamers...

[pfox]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

One of the reasons I will be voting no.....

Not that I am in the know on this, but I have heard that a limited access vehicular bridge is planned at that location.  Just because it is not in this package doesn't mean it won't happen.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by pfox

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Think of the benefits of a 41st Street Auto Bridge.

Not in the plan. However, 'gathering places' and a COUNTY pedestrian bridge meant to preclude the possibility.

One of the reasons I will be voting no.....

Not that I am in the know on this, but I have heard that a limited access vehicular bridge is planned at that location.  Just because it is not in this package doesn't mean it won't happen.

                                              The way this scam is set up, even if it's in the package, it doesn't mean we'll see the progress as promised, just like V2025.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I agreed burner of bread.

A Crow Creek green corridor would be very nice. I don't know how much the land acqusition would cost nor how long it would take.

I am sure that some of the affected property owners could tie this thing up in court for years, and will, just for the sport of it.

Wow, I think the three of us might actually all agree on this idea.

[naifioni]

What good is river development if you cant drive your car due to the 9th worst roads in United states? VOTE NO on any new taxes especially this one

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by naifioni

What good is river development if you cant drive your car due to the 9th worst roads in United states? VOTE NO on any new taxes especially this one

I've known roads to be annoying but rarely impassible. Our roads suffer because we continue to think large corporations know what's best for us and what is best for them is building on cheap land. Cheap land means further away so the citizens of the Tulsa Metro keep going further out  and complaining about why the 2 and 4 lane roads aren't expanded and then when they are, complain about why the older roads aren't maintained. It's time for someone to throw up a sign that says "WRONG WAY" and turn back around and concentrate on Tulsa Proper and areas close to midtown and downtown. While this tax doesn't specifically pay for roads (we had a tax for them and everyone voted no) it does fund growth and development of the core of the city which will help get those road improvements prioritized and paid for.

[ttown_jeff]

Ok.  Let's say this beast passes (unlikely, I know). How much is it going to cost to maintain this development?

Is there a long term water management program to address the ever changing nature of the river?  What I mean is that rivers assist in erosion.  How expensive is it going to be in 25 years to upgrade the facilities?

What about the cost of graffiti, trash removal, public safety and other basic necessities?

Doesn't this plan add to the cost of maintaining our infrastructure?  Something we as a city have trouble maintaining already?

More Questions:

How much has been spent on the Pedestrian Bridge since 1976?

Didn't we just get a big donation from one of our generous citizens to fix up the river parks area - for something the city couldn't afford to do?



Don't forget to vote, whichever way you are leaning.

[Townsend]

Does this vote require a majority or a super majority to pass?

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Does this vote require a majority or a super majority to pass?

Majority

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

Does this vote require a majority or a super majority to pass?

Majority

Thanks