Questions regarding the River Development

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by corky25

I am totally against the whole river thing!  Why raise the tax to build something on a river that smells like the sewer?  Instead of only the "rich" benefiting from this development, why can't they use the money businesses are offering to donate to fix our lousy bridges?  Everybody complains about the bridges and how they are falling apart, but the city doesn't have the money to repair them.  Instead of building the smelly river up, why don't we try fixing the bridges that are hazardous to drive on?  I have read the reports online about the Tulsa bridges and that most of them need to be repaired or replaced.  Why not take care of that instead?  I just really don't understand how we benefit from building something on the river that usually stinks and is usually down?  If we are going to do a tax increase, do it on something that will benefit everybody.

You said smelly three times. Where do you smell the river? And what do you smell? I spend a lot of time over there and other than the lift station at 51st and the I-44 bridge when the wind is blowing do I smell anything objectionable. Of course when it rains and the wind blows out of the west I smell the refinery. Are those smells what you refer to? Cause I also smell sewer stink around Haikey creek, off the Creek expressway on the Yale exit, at odd places around town. I smell extreme putrid smells when they dump fertilizer on the grounds of SouthCrest and even when my neighbor had fertilizer dumped on her yard to have green fall grass. I smell tons of grease in the air anywhere near a KFC, Brookside on a Friday nite and Cherry Street as well. I smell alcohol emanating from bars at 18th and Boston on a Saturday nite. The bushes I planted last spring are flowering...and they stink like ammonia and dog feces!

Maybe you could be a bit more specific. Truth is, life stinks unless the wind is blowing it on by.

So what's your point? We should drop everything and build bridges, repave streets and pretty it all up so suburbanites won't have to suffer when they come to town to make their money and then take it back to the burbs where taxes are lower, crime is hidden and attractive developments make more sense? If you use roads/infrastructure versus development, nothing new, exciting, revenue producing will ever be built.

edit: Oh, BTW, welcome Corky.[8D]

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
The bushes I planted last spring are flowering...and they stink like ammonia and dog feces!

Man did you buy the wrong bushes.

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Previously Huffman said he didn't needed the Kounty Kommissar Kaiser Tax just that a TIF district might be needed. I wonder if someone from the Mayor's office told him he needed to play ball by promoting this new tax if he wanted any help from the city to get his project moving?

I'm starting to like sales tax over TIF. If we keep TIF'ing everything, it won't matter how much we grow, we still won't make any money.

TIF districts are a good tool for investing in public infrastructure but they cannot be utilized for land acquisition.

So there is really is no readily available funding mechanism for the land for Tulsa Hills other than the river tax?

What a shock.

I suppose you mean the west bank site when you typed "Tulsa Hills" (71st and hwy 75).  I don't know of any other funding that coud be made avalable to aquire that property.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
The bushes I planted last spring are flowering...and they stink like ammonia and dog feces!

Man did you buy the wrong bushes.

No wonder Home Depot won't take them back. Even the bugs won't mess with them.

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
The bushes I planted last spring are flowering...and they stink like ammonia and dog feces!

Man did you buy the wrong bushes.

What were those things called kennel bush

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
The bushes I planted last spring are flowering...and they stink like ammonia and dog feces!

Man did you buy the wrong bushes.

What were those things called kennel bush

Turns out the smell dissipated. I'm now thinking that its my neighbor's front yard. They spread what looked like compost all over it then sprinkled grass seed. The smell is like a baby's diaper who just started cow milk.

The bush lives another year.

[1956packard]

Saturday SEPTEMBER 13 2008

Aloha and Lawzee:

 many years ago a niece of mine who grew up in Glenpool used to refer to the Arkansas River as the poo poo river
   The Arkansas River is the poo poo river for more than one reason Tulsans stop, look, listen, & think  our priorities our all out of wack concerning the river. we have more important and pressing concerns in tulsa than recreating, dinning, or shopping by the river. yes we need to develop the river but now is the wrong time Tulsa has too many other more important problems that need to be addressed asap.
   There however is one thing that needs to be dune to the river asap all the flood control work finished, the dredging work finished, & the rest of the other maintenance work finished & maintained.  even if Tulsa had all of it other problems taken care of & a unlimited budget;  develop the river your kidding me your not developing a river  your developing a sedimentary, boggy, & flooding sewage pond
we need a grand jury to look into why the important maintenance work hasn't already been done on the river. I currently  care more about
the health, safety, & appearance of the river  & the city in general  than the rivers yuppie usability   How will the people who are considering moving to Tulsa or who are thinking of starting a business in Tulsa going to perceive the river  Oh don't move to Tulsa they have a wonderful river area but their streets are so bad that you"ll destroy your car getting there
once there you'll either be raped or mugged and I wouldn't  take my kids there there are too many perverts there  or how about move to Tulsa Tulsa is ok but there is nothing there, its too redneck, & that gross Arkansas River or move to Tulsa its got a low cost of living but it doesn't have any jobs
       Hey yuppies do you want to do something cool with the river thats cheep and good for the city well bring back the KRMG Great raft race except this time do it safer & better &
broadcast it on tv  make it a real cool event
alas I know deep down that if the great raft did come back that Tulsa would just Okieyuppieneckify it   well lawzee


Okieyuppieneckify =  a little Oklahoman  a little bit Redneck & a lot of Yuppie

                     

                        Aloha And Lawzee

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by 1956packard


Saturday SEPTEMBER 13 2008

Aloha and Lawzee:

 many years ago a niece of mine who grew up in Glenpool used to refer to the Arkansas River as the poo poo river
   The Arkansas River is the poo poo river for more than one reason Tulsans stop, look, listen, & think  our priorities our all out of wack concerning the river. we have more important and pressing concerns in tulsa than recreating, dinning, or shopping by the river. yes we need to develop the river but now is the wrong time Tulsa has too many other more important problems that need to be addressed asap.
   There however is one thing that needs to be dune to the river asap all the flood control work finished, the dredging work finished, & the rest of the other maintenance work finished & maintained.  even if Tulsa had all of it other problems taken care of & a unlimited budget;  develop the river your kidding me your not developing a river  your developing a sedimentary, boggy, & flooding sewage pond
we need a grand jury to look into why the important maintenance work hasn't already been done on the river. I currently  care more about
the health, safety, & appearance of the river  & the city in general  than the rivers yuppie usability   How will the people who are considering moving to Tulsa or who are thinking of starting a business in Tulsa going to perceive the river  Oh don't move to Tulsa they have a wonderful river area but their streets are so bad that you"ll destroy your car getting there
once there you'll either be raped or mugged and I wouldn't  take my kids there there are too many perverts there  or how about move to Tulsa Tulsa is ok but there is nothing there, its too redneck, & that gross Arkansas River or move to Tulsa its got a low cost of living but it doesn't have any jobs
       Hey yuppies do you want to do something cool with the river thats cheep and good for the city well bring back the KRMG Great raft race except this time do it safer & better &
broadcast it on tv  make it a real cool event
alas I know deep down that if the great raft did come back that Tulsa would just Okieyuppieneckify it   well lawzee


Okieyuppieneckify =  a little Oklahoman  a little bit Redneck & a lot of Yuppie

                     

                        Aloha And Lawzee

Dude, you're a year late on this.  The vote failed though, so you should be happy.

[sgrizzle]

Shadows, I think I found an old classmate of yours.

[Conan71]

Or someone else who has been breating carbon monoxide w/ Paul Tay.

[TheArtist]

Wow, someone needs to make sure that person gets back on their meds. And quick lol.

[cks511]

quote:Originally posted by 1956packard


Saturday SEPTEMBER 13 2008

well lawzee


Okieyuppieneckify =  a little Oklahoman  a little bit Redneck & a lot of Yuppie

                     

Aloha And Lawzee

TAY...IS THAT YOU??  YOU A TAY CLONE?

[Townsend]

Meeting to discuss grant to clean up River West Festival Park

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120207_11_0_Thecit710154

The city of Tulsa is hosting a meeting this evening to discuss its application to the Environmental Protection Agency for a brownfields grant to clean up River West Festival Park.

The meeting is 5:30 p.m. at Eugene Field Elementary School, 2249 S. Phoenix Ave.

Tulsa is competing with cities in other states for the $400,000 grant, which would include $200,000 for assessment and $200,000 for cleanup.

Brownfields are properties whose expansion, redevelopment, or reuse may be complicated by the presence or potential presence of a hazardous substance, pollutant or contaminant.

In 2008, preliminary assessments concluded that possible contamination exists on the River West Festival Park site, and further assessments were recommended.


By KEVIN CANFIELD World Staff Writer

Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120207_11_0_Thecit710154

So it seems they're having a meeting for a grant we won't get?

[Conan71]

Meeting to discuss grant to clean up River West Festival Park

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120207_11_0_Thecit710154

So it seems they're having a meeting for a grant we won't get?

It keeps some low to mid-level bureaucrats in a job.

As far as waste, what sort of waste are they thinking is there?  Like old refinery chemicals?

[carltonplace]

  Like old refinery chemicals?

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