Sen. Craig Audio/Transcript

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quote:Originally posted by Markk


I admit it--I'm incredibly naive.  What difference does it make if its his left hand or right that reached under the stall?

The biggest difference is whether the cop was telling the truth or the senator. The senator said he picked up something off the floor, which if was true, would be with his right hand. The cop said it wasn't true and it was his left hand. I haven't tried but I'm not sure I could get my left hand under a stall wall while sitting personally.

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Markk:

The cop was on his right side, so he would have to make an overt action to get his left palm face up under the right stall wall while seated on the toilet.  

That fact doesnt really matter to me so much, as why he chose to argue the point.  When people are panicked or lying they tend deny trivial details instead of working out the big picture.  Since the cop has no reason to lie about such a thing, I take it as a strong indication that the Senator is lying.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I didn't say a word about trampling "the rights" of a gay republican.  

I was saying that Dems are always about defending gay rights until it's politically expedient to persecute someone in the opposing party for being gay.  Then they fall all over themselves in mock horror.

He's not being persecuted for being gay.  He's being persecuted for being a pervert and a hypocrite. Believe it or not Conan, but all gay men don't go around cruising for sex in bathroom stalls. It's not a gay issue; it's a issue of once again a closeted Republican and faithful voter for the Christian Right who votes against any kind of rights for gays and lesbians because of what they claim are "family values".  And yet, he's out cruising public spaces for sex because of the shame and disgust he has inside.  I would feel sorry for him if it wasn't that in feeling shame, he has done all he could to hurt others so he could hide deep in his closet.

[aoxamaxoa]

He's gone......nothing's gonna bring him back.

What I said, ha ha.

Once again the truth has set us free.....

Hypocrite repug gets the hook....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070901/ap_on_go_co/craig_arrest;_ylt=AkreBXpHG4ujQD9Hu4ZDizys0NUE


GOP officials: Craig to resign Saturday. Republican leadership is terrified after Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley, Craig and others of alienating its core homophobe base.

FROM 2001! Oh the irony!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW1Mpp0HZVI

Bill Clinton survived his sex scandal! Why?

You see, what Bill Clinton did was wrong but manly. What Little Larry Craig did (he did this too! http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/craig.html ) was wrong but stupid and sick. We've had just about enough stupid and sick and wrong.


Yes, Bill Clinton perjured himself but remained in favorable rankings with America.... because he's authentic. And he was not a hypocrite running around the country telling people that blow jobs were wrong!

He could be the next and first....first man.

Be afraid....

And you thought those heroin growing Gani's terrorizing America were scary. And, of course, those Iraqi's made you so insecure the leaders shot our wad.

Now Republicans can experience real fear if Bill and Hill return to The Hill.....


Boooo!!!! (be afraid!)

[Breadburner]

What's that smell....?

[aoxamaxoa]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

What's that smell....?

Bread burning?

[Breadburner]

More like the Stockyards......

[aoxamaxoa]

OMG...it's in your room....or in your mouth.

[aoxamaxoa]

Can we run a pool to see at what time IPlaw loses his switch hitter in the senate?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I didn't say a word about trampling "the rights" of a gay republican.  

I was saying that Dems are always about defending gay rights until it's politically expedient to persecute someone in the opposing party for being gay.  Then they fall all over themselves in mock horror.

He's not being persecuted for being gay.  He's being persecuted for being a pervert and a hypocrite. Believe it or not Conan, but all gay men don't go around cruising for sex in bathroom stalls. It's not a gay issue; it's a issue of once again a closeted Republican and faithful voter for the Christian Right who votes against any kind of rights for gays and lesbians because of what they claim are "family values".  And yet, he's out cruising public spaces for sex because of the shame and disgust he has inside.  I would feel sorry for him if it wasn't that in feeling shame, he has done all he could to hurt others so he could hide deep in his closet.

Quite well aware that it's a minority of gay men who troll parks and restrooms looking for encounters.

As I've also mentioned it's a shame that the GOP is so deep under the sheets with the Christian right that a $500 misdemeanor for someone's sexual proclivities becomes a tiresome media issue.

I don't see where it affects his job performance, nor where it was a violation of his duties as a U.S. Senator.

There is a certain married former Democrat U.S. Senator who had a thing for male pages who was very carefully protected by his party.  Wearing a wedding band and looking for gay sex is in itself hypocracy.

[iplaw]

quote:Believe it or not Conan, but all gay men don't go around cruising for sex in bathroom stalls.  It's not a gay issue

Not a "gay" issue?  Please.  Men having sex with other men in an airport bathroom isn't a "gay" issue?  BTW, they don't have signs warning people of fines for lewd behavior outside the men's bathroom doors up and down riverside because hetero's just love having sex in nasty public bathrooms.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Believe it or not Conan, but all gay men don't go around cruising for sex in bathroom stalls.  It's not a gay issue

Not a "gay" issue?  Please.  Men having sex with other men in an airport bathroom isn't a "gay" issue?  BTW, they don't have signs warning people of fines for lewd behavior outside the men's bathroom doors up and down riverside because hetero's just love having sex in nasty public bathrooms.

No, it's not a gay issue.  Ask Craig if he's gay, he'll tell you he is not.  Ask Foley, or any other closeted Republican.

It's more a issue of the Christian Right in your party trying to keep homosexuals in the closet, and using hypocritical closeted Republicans to do their bidding.

Those warnings outside the Riverside bathrooms are probably because of all the married men who frequent the parks looking for sex outside of their marriage because of their own issues with accepting their sexuality.  Should we call it a "married men issue" ?

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
I don't see where it affects his job performance, nor where it was a violation of his duties as a U.S. Senator.

I would only say that when you are voting "moral" issues and yet slipping into bathrooms to have sex, then I think it goes against the public image you have created for yourself.  It wouldn't nearly be as big a issue if his voting record was different, or if his fellow Republicans didn't feel the need to distance themselves from him (especially Romney and his comments).  That's the real issue.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Believe it or not Conan, but all gay men don't go around cruising for sex in bathroom stalls.  It's not a gay issue

Not a "gay" issue?  Please.  Men having sex with other men in an airport bathroom isn't a "gay" issue?  BTW, they don't have signs warning people of fines for lewd behavior outside the men's bathroom doors up and down riverside because hetero's just love having sex in nasty public bathrooms.

No, it's not a gay issue.  Ask Craig if he's gay, he'll tell you he is not.  Ask Foley, or any other closeted Republican.

It's more a issue of the Christian Right in your party trying to keep homosexuals in the closet, and using hypocritical closeted Republicans to do their bidding.

Those warnings outside the Riverside bathrooms are probably because of all the married men who frequent the parks looking for sex outside of their marriage because of their own issues with accepting their sexuality.  Should we call it a "married men issue" ?

Call it what you want.  Men trolling for other men in public bathrooms is a gay issue.  Straight men don't frequent bathrooms for anonymous sex with other men.  Just ask George Michael.

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quote:Originally posted by iplaw

because hetero's just love having sex in nasty public bathrooms.

What's wrong with sex in nasty public restrooms?

quote:for anonymous sex with other men.

Ooooh, never mind.

and George Michael is my father figure.

/random comments in a thread beating a dead horse to death in a bathroom.

The question has turned into, will it be the end of him or will he survive?

[edit]typo in my quote syntax[/edit]