Hold the presses

[shadows]

Hold the presses.   Pull the big switch.
 
Sinclair, who occupies the prime west bank seem to not to have been informed of the plans YP's have for replacing their refinery.

Now some of old fogies have made know their plans to update the refinery and tank farm all on their own.  

Up to the present the city has allowed 10% of the total cost for design/engineering.  Now we can add onto the ballot another $100 million to the some $382 million dollars when all the chickens hatch in the nest 7 years.

Since this river issue is being back by the anticipation that in the next 7 years the monies could be available in case all the eggs hatch and we have a place to sell the chickens we are counting. With this new cost added on; is it time we start looking for more eggs so we will have more chickens to count on when they hatch?

Does this all remind one of the fellow that put the snow machine on the little hill west of town and made an artificial skiing run that was a little longer than twice the length of the skis?

Is this new revelation a deterrent to the river plan?

Does anyone want to know what the finial tally on how the money is used; cast in concrete?    

[YoungTulsan]

mmmm, chicken

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Hold the presses.   Pull the big switch.
 
Sinclair, who occupies the prime west bank seem to not to have been informed of the plans YP's have for replacing their refinery.

Now some of old fogies have made know their plans to update the refinery and tank farm all on their own.  

Up to the present the city has allowed 10% of the total cost for design/engineering.  Now we can add onto the ballot another $100 million to the some $382 million dollars when all the chickens hatch in the nest 7 years.

Since this river issue is being back by the anticipation that in the next 7 years the monies could be available in case all the eggs hatch and we have a place to sell the chickens we are counting. With this new cost added on; is it time we start looking for more eggs so we will have more chickens to count on when they hatch?

Does this all remind one of the fellow that put the snow machine on the little hill west of town and made an artificial skiing run that was a little longer than twice the length of the skis?

Is this new revelation a deterrent to the river plan?

Does anyone want to know what the finial tally on how the money is used; cast in concrete?    

Spending more millions on the 31st Street Pedestrian bridge is more wasteful foolishness.

While a nice conduit around the River Parks Trail, the 31st Street Pedestrian Bridge basically connects the the walking trail with the Sinclair Oil Refinery.

When you exit the bridge on the West side of the River, the Wanderer is left with two choices:

Go North and absorb the bouquet of the Refinery.

Keep going North and absorb the ambience of the Concrete Plant.  Do ya suppose that Mr. Hardesty was given a peak at the Kaiser River Plan before it was announced??

Or, Go South and absorb the ambience of the AEP Power Plant.  

Keep going South and absorb the bouquet of the 51st and Elwood Sewage Treatment Plant.

My suspicion of the Mid-Town Elitists who thought up this Cuckoo-Bird Kaiser River Tax is that they NEVER travel over to west Tulsa.......

Oooooooooh, what's that Smell?

Do you smell THAT smell??

[cannon_fodder]

It does connect to the River Parks west - including the amphitheater.

If you head North you do get to go over a cool bridge and then arrive at a rather large apartment complex and OSU Tulsa College of Medicine.  

Heading South you find more green space (soccer complex), a skate park, and some neighborhoods.

I have biked to, walked my dogs to, and wondered around all of those places.  Yes, there can be an asphalt refinery smell... but if that is so much of an issue lets just write off the entire city of Sand Springs and all of West Tulsa.  I had fun on that walk.  More often, I have fun just walking out on that bridge with my son and looking down at the river.

Not everything has to be picture perfect to be enjoyed.

[Renaissance]

Don't feed the trolls.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Don't feed the trolls.

Absolutely.

[Hometown]

Let's see ...

One Billion Dollars

That's what I like about the oil business.

You could have 30 call centers and 30 thrifty rental car businesses and they wouldn't spend that kind of money.

And I've been back here long enough to really know that Tulsa needs it bad.

What I'm not convinced about is the smell reduction, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Shadows, maybe if there was a little more demand for labor there might be some improvement in the lives of Tulsa's working folks.

Lord knows I've been burned before but this Sinclair thing just might be something that Hometown can feel good about.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Don't feed the trolls.

Absolutely.

I shall abstain.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Don't feed the trolls.

Absolutely.

Trolls need to eat too.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Let's see ...

One Billion Dollars

That's what I like about the oil business.

You could have 30 call centers and 30 thrifty rental car businesses and they wouldn't spend that kind of money.

And I've been back here long enough to really know that Tulsa needs it bad.

What I'm not convinced about is the smell reduction, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Shadows, maybe if there was a little more demand for labor there might be some improvement in the lives of Tulsa's working folks.

Lord knows I've been burned before but this Sinclair thing just might be something that Hometown can feel good about.

200 jobs is what Sinclair says it will add.

MTCC's perpetually broken calculator with the decimal place set two zeros off claims this expansion will create...get this...6,000 new "support" jobs and miraculously add $193,000,000 more to our economy each year.

Kind of like the 4,500 jobs the river tax will create.

Anyone want to volunteer to buy the MTTC a new calculator, the other one is getting absurd.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

It does connect to the River Parks west - including the amphitheater.

If you head North you do get to go over a cool bridge and then arrive at a rather large apartment complex and OSU Tulsa College of Medicine.  

Heading South you find more green space (soccer complex), a skate park, and some neighborhoods.

I have biked to, walked my dogs to, and wondered around all of those places.  Yes, there can be an asphalt refinery smell... but if that is so much of an issue lets just write off the entire city of Sand Springs and all of West Tulsa.  I had fun on that walk.  More often, I have fun just walking out on that bridge with my son and looking down at the river.

Not everything has to be picture perfect to be enjoyed.

That's intresting. When I was last in Tulsa  I tryed to find that jogging trail on the west bank and I could not find it. I am a hardcore running nut. I did see a trail from the I-44 bridge while driving across it but I don't know how to get to it. I ran across the white Jenks Bridge and found a short trail there going north about 300' long and going in the other direction I found some sort of trail that follows a street, and it seems to dead end after a mile or so. I gave up looking and headed back over the Jenks bridge and finished my run on the RiverSide Jogging Trail and went back to my Hotel. (I park at the south lot at Riverside drive across from the QT store) I like to try new trails. I run the Creek TurnPike trail & The RiverSide trail when I'm in Tulsa. The RiverSide trail needs a rebuild it's crumbling and narrow and old & worn out. I favor that new tax hike for  trail expansion, that's a good investment for Tulsa.... Tulsa should build a trail along the full west bank of the river not just small or short sections with no connections to other trails. thanx.

[Conan71]

Sauer- there is a trail which goes from the 11th street bridge un-broken all the way to a turn-around on the south side of the I-44 bridge.  You can access it by parking at the Riverwest Festival Park (go over the 23rd St. bridge and take the first right turn), crossing the 31st St. pedestrian bridge, a parking lot at about 43rd & Elwood, or parking north of 21st St. and running over the 11th St. bridge and hop on the trail at Westport Apartments.

Pretty easy access.  That's four miles worth of trail.  If you are further interested, you can take a pedestrian bridge north of the 11th St. river bridge over 244/75 and go over to Newblock Park or all the way out the old Katy line to Chandler Park, I believe, though I don't think I'd make that trek solo.  Still hobos in the area and it's not well-patrolled and people are few and far between.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

It does connect to the River Parks west - including the amphitheater.

If you head North you do get to go over a cool bridge and then arrive at a rather large apartment complex and OSU Tulsa College of Medicine.  

Heading South you find more green space (soccer complex), a skate park, and some neighborhoods.

I have biked to, walked my dogs to, and wondered around all of those places.  Yes, there can be an asphalt refinery smell... but if that is so much of an issue lets just write off the entire city of Sand Springs and all of West Tulsa.  I had fun on that walk.  More often, I have fun just walking out on that bridge with my son and looking down at the river.

Not everything has to be picture perfect to be enjoyed.

That's intresting. When I was last in Tulsa  I tryed to find that jogging trail on the west bank and I could not find it. I am a hardcore running nut. I did see a trail from the I-44 bridge while driving across it but I don't know how to get to it. I ran across the white Jenks Bridge and found a short trail there going north about 300' long and going in the other direction I found some sort of trail that follows a street, and it seems to dead end after a mile or so. I gave up looking and headed back over the Jenks bridge and finished my run on the RiverSide Jogging Trail and went back to my Hotel. (I park at the south lot at Riverside drive across from the QT store) I like to try new trails. I run the Creek TurnPike trail & The RiverSide trail when I'm in Tulsa. The RiverSide trail needs a rebuild it's crumbling and narrow and old & worn out. I favor that new tax hike for  trail expansion, that's a good investment for Tulsa.... Tulsa should build a trail along the full west bank of the river not just small or short sections with no connections to other trails. thanx.

You can access the west he refers to at any of these points: West end of 11th street bridge, west end of 21st street bridge, east end of pedestrian bridge, PSO soccer fields around 41st and Elwood (West of river), and just north of I-44 and Elwood. Going south after that I'm not sure it continues. And i concur it is a good area to run.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Sauer- there is a trail which goes from the 11th street bridge un-broken all the way to a turn-around on the south side of the I-44 bridge.  You can access it by parking at the Riverwest Festival Park (go over the 23rd St. bridge and take the first right turn), crossing the 31st St. pedestrian bridge, a parking lot at about 43rd & Elwood, or parking north of 21st St. and running over the 11th St. bridge and hop on the trail at Westport Apartments.

Pretty easy access.  That's four miles worth of trail.  If you are further interested, you can take a pedestrian bridge north of the 11th St. river bridge over 244/75 and go over to Newblock Park or all the way out the old Katy line to Chandler Park, I believe, though I don't think I'd make that trek solo.  Still hobos in the area and it's not well-patrolled and people are few and far between.

OK thanks. I don't go to the North end of the trail. I go running on the South end of the trail. I park at the far south lot across the street from QT and run 3 miles north & 3 miles back in most cases. I always was hoping that I could catch the west bank trail from the south end (Jenks Bridge area) but I guess it does not go thru. When I'm done with my run I drive north on Riverside Drive & catch I-44 east and go to my hotel room to shower off. I'll try the North end of the trail next time I get back to Tulsa, I never ran on the west bank trail... Thanx.[]

[cannon_fodder]

First of all, I go on exercise kicks every now and then.   They always end with strep throat, or an abscess, or some other infection.  I'm convinced exercising causes me to get sick.

That said, in one of my running phases I spent a lot of time running on wooded trails.  Oxley, Turkey Mountain, Red Bud, Keystone...  you get tons more workout because you are not able to keep a steady stride which becomes comfortable and easy to maintain for your body.  Terrain, hills, logs, rocks all cause you to break stride.  I found I would feel just as tired in half the time AND the scenery was better than crowded trails.

So long as you wore hiking boots (added to work out I suppose) and watched your ankles it worked out really well for me.

I need to start working out aga... who am I kidding.  Its football season.  See you on my couch, I'll be the one with a beer in my hand.