Crime Wave

[bokworker]

Carlton... silly boy, "W" is responsible for all things "warming"... including beer.

[sauerkraut]

According to many almanics and web sites that list crime numbers, Tulsa is not bad at all. My home town of Columbus, Ohio has much higher crime numbers than Tulsa, Our auto theft is way  higher than Tulsa's and that's based on per 100,l00 people. "real cities" and "monster moving" all have links to compair crime rates. Some books that also point out crime numbers are "Cities ranked & rated-2007" and "The Places rated almanic-2007" I do hear alot of talk about Tulsa crime when I'm in the city and many areas of the city don't seem & feel safe but number-wise Tulsa is really not bad. If you google something like "Tulsa crime rates" you get alot of info. The big thing is are all the crimes reported? If people are not reporting it every time they are a victim of crime that can skew the numbers and give Tulsa a false sense of a lower crime rate than what it should really have.

[rwarn17588]

I don't know if people are reporting all crimes or not. Maybe you should ask them. [}:)]

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I don't know if people are reporting all crimes or not. Maybe you should ask them. [}:)]

I'll make a note of that and ask them next time I see 'em.[]

[jne]

Rut Ro! Cannon, we are very close neighbors.  I'm trying to recall what I did all weekend.  Let's see, got a new tv, installed a new car stereo, my AC/Unit went out...  Seriously though, I remember wondering what the hell the dogs were barking at this weekend (first one I have spent at home in a while), but everytime I went to take a look, it was just folks that I usually see - the hot runner girl (You know who I'm talkin about - not your wife I hope), the go for a walk family, the kid on the skateboard, the street tricycle guy...  You've got me stressing.  I already watch the street like a hawk!

[sauerkraut]

I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.

[jne]

I think Cannon would agree that our neighborhood  would pass that test pretty well.  Before hearing of the recent crime spree, I really have been put at ease over the last few years.  Friday and Saturday, we might get a few speeders, some loud bikes sometimes, but hey, it is the middle of a city.  I walk to stores or just around my neighborhood with the dog maybe 4 or 5 nights a week.  And, you can't beat the location.  Everywhere I go is 5-8 minutes away.  I even go South of 51st Street a few times a year:) and its still a short trip.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm sure I see you if you are around, I know the people you are talking about.  I've seen tricycle man as far away as 23rd and Pittsburgh, not sure where his destination/starting point is. I just saw hot runner girl yesterday, I regret to inform you that she is not my wife.

Now I'm trying to figure out who you are.  Lady with chocolate lab?  Lady with black lab?  Big guy with a little dog... or his wife, who always walk separate and let their dogs crap in my yard?  I'm guess you live on the same street, since tricycle guy seems to beeline down it.

Anyway, the police I talked to (who was over at the neighbors) said it is common for nicer neighborhoods to have a drive-by crime spree.  Basically some jerk cases it out for a week and picks a good day to do it all.  Which make sense, its hard to steal your neighbors AC and then be bold enough to use it!

This is the first real trouble I have had in 4 years.  Its quite other than standard city noise (what's with the crotch rockets down the BA at like 9pm every Friday Night? Sounds like a race.), neighbors are friendly but generally keep to themselves.  Plenty of stores and amenities within walking distance.

I'm a big fan.  Isolated incidents are not enough to put me off, especially if the police think they are imports.  Means it could happen anywhere.  Go rob some rich people jerks!

[jne]

I don't think I'm any of the neighborhood characters you've mentioned.  Contrary to what my apparently effeminate text might lead one to believe, I'm a dude. Now, Lady with black lab, could maybe be my other half, but I have also observed a lady with black lab #2 on the street.  My lady is a young lady and my lab is a small lab mix.  I'll give you a hint.  I have a group of cowboy hat wearing, no extended cab driving, Spanish speaking men on one side and a Spanish/English speaking nuclear family on the other.  I am the half Chicano (Chichonkey)English speaking guy in the middle who has a white girl and a black dog.  I'm thinking you are either east of me or across from the Nursing home.

BTW - the dogs woke me up barking like hell at 4 AM last night and I shot out the side door in my underwear holding a pistol.  You've got me paranoid.  I'm gonna wind up being the one who gets arrested! - LOL

Clarification:  I did not shoot my pistol out the side door.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.

Oakhurst?

Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.

Blech!

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.

Oakhurst?

Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.

Blech!

That's better than having loud neighbors at all hours of the night, I don't like homes real close together, and if the crime rate is lower I don't care if a junk yard is next door, and if there's no schools nearby  you don't have to worry about kids and vandals. A junk yard next door can come in handy for me anyhow with my old heap I use alot of parts. Thanx.[]

[cannon_fodder]

jne:

I Pm'd you my exact addy.  We'll have to get together for a beer sometime.

I (think I) know EXACTLY where you live.  The aforementioned heard of truck driving Mexican's built a snowman during the last snowstorm.  I'm from up norte (eh?) and broke out my cross country skis.  I do not believe they had ever seen such a thing and between their bad English and my bad Spanish I took a picture of them and their snowman and they took a picture of me and my skis.  Made me chuckle.

I am indeed East of you by about 2 blocks.  you may have seen me stagger home from the colony a time or two.  But I do no believe you are amongst the cast I speak of.  Certainly are a lot of dogs in our neighborhood (I sport a pair:  an 80lb black lab/weimrhener [who at my [ahem] garbage yesterday!] and a 55lb Australian Shepard/Shetland Island Sheep Dog).

We seriously have to get together sometime and let the dogs romp.  Always good to meet someone in the neighborhood.

PM

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

I think the best areas to live in metro Tulsa are west Tulsa around OakHurst or across the mighty river and Jenks, sapulpa, SandSprings. I have been looking at homes in that area. North Tulsa is a war zone, many east side areas are bad too. I have found a nice block-built home in SandSprings near the Tulsa city line. I'd like to make plans to get a showing of the home. A real estate agent told me the best way to scope out a neighborhood before you a home or even rent an apartment, is to drive around the area on a Friday night, and see who's out on the streets, are kids hanging around corners looking for trouble? If the area passes the "Friday Test" odds are it's a safe area.

Oakhurst?

Great place if you don't mind an auto salvage here and there throughout the neighborhood, or building codes which allow trailers in the midst of brick & mortar homes.

Blech!

That's better than having loud neighbors at all hours of the night, I don't like homes real close together, and if the crime rate is lower I don't care if a junk yard is next door, and if there's no schools nearby  you don't have to worry about kids and vandals. A junk yard next door can come in handy for me anyhow with my old heap I use alot of parts. Thanx.[]

I forgot to mention, I think they filmed "Night of The Living Tweaker" in Oakhurst.  Quite a few people in that part of Creek County who stay up all night...several nights in a row.

[rwarn17588]

Apparently sauerkraut doesn't know Oakhurst THAT well.

I live near Oakhurst. Conan's assessment is pretty on-target. It's pretty rough. There are good people who live there, but the neighborhood is decidedly blue-collar and you'd better not cross them or there'll be hell to pay.

Oakhurst is many things; certainly not idyllic.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Apparently sauerkraut doesn't know Oakhurst THAT well.

I live near Oakhurst. Conan's assessment is pretty on-target. It's pretty rough. There are good people who live there, but the neighborhood is decidedly blue-collar and you'd better not cross them or there'll be hell to pay.

Oakhurst is many things; certainly not idyllic.

You are correct, I do not know the area very well, I do like west Tulsa, I have been there alot and offten drove down Southwest Blvd- it has classic old time charm of bygone eras. I think west Tulsa is Tulsa's best kept secret. East of the river Tulsa is all malls and stores & shops and traffic choked.