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[Conan71]

I was against that tax cut and I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative.  I'm sure a couple of the liberals on here had a stroke when I said it the first time.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I was against that tax cut and I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative.  I'm sure a couple of the liberals on here had a stroke when I said it the first time.

Yeah, I'm kind of wondering about myself when I post things like "they shouldn't have passed that tax cut", but that particular instance just seemed so unneccesary.  We need to pay more attention to who is being sent to State legislature apparently.  They pretty much hoarde everything for OKC despite the fact that OKC is only 1/3rd of the state population-wise.  It's kind of like how Saddam had his nice little area of Baghdad for his supporters while the rest of Iraq was an impoverished hellhole.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

Ah, looks like carlton may have been wrong which nullifies my previous post.

Can someone bust out a chart or bulleted list of the current sales tax breakdown in the City of Tulsa including when they expire?

To my knowledge,
State of Oklahoma - 4.5% (expires when the sun burns out)
City of Tulsa - 2% operating budget
City of Tulsa - 1% 3rd penny streets, infrastructure, and shifty laundering of other projects and cost overruns (expires several years from now, Im posting this without researching )

So the county is getting 1.017% in some fashion?

So 4-to-fix is the .017%, and 2025 is 0.6%, what is the other 0.4% and when (or does) it expire?


EDIT - I didn't realize state sales tax was 4.5%...   I thought it was 3% - WAY too high!

Oops, I thought it was a four year tax - hence "4 to fix". V2025 is a 13 year tax that expires 2016?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Mentioned on
KTUL:
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0907/456606.html

FOX23:
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=21983@video.fox23.com&navCatId=5


Plenty of forum favorites there (you know who you are). I think DoubleA submitted about half of the questions. Apparently one of the "pro" speakers couldn't make it and her replacement wasn't exactly the best public speaker. Over 100 people were in attendance with more than one who didn't know the current vote had nothing to do with the channels.

Anyone else have any opinions?

I think Piercy hit happy hour before the forum. I was really unimpressed. I submitted five questions, I think. Eagleton and Tawney were outstanding.

[TheArtist]

I say we secede from Oklahoma and create our own state. []

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Mentioned on
KTUL:
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0907/456606.html

FOX23:
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=21983@video.fox23.com&navCatId=5


Plenty of forum favorites there (you know who you are). I think DoubleA submitted about half of the questions. Apparently one of the "pro" speakers couldn't make it and her replacement wasn't exactly the best public speaker. Over 100 people were in attendance with more than one who didn't know the current vote had nothing to do with the channels.

Anyone else have any opinions?

I think Piercy hit happy hour before the forum. I was really unimpressed. I submitted five questions, I think. Eagleton and Tawney were outstanding.

I submitted like 3-4 and got one answered, you submitted at LEAST 5.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I say we secede from Oklahoma and create our own state. []

Sign me up!

I remember seeing an old Tulsa World article about "Tulsa, Kansas" and a whole thing about how it could be beneficial for Tulsa to secede into Kansas.  We'd immediately be the largest city

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I say we secede from Oklahoma and create our own state. []

Sign me up!

I remember seeing an old Tulsa World article about "Tulsa, Kansas" and a whole thing about how it could be beneficial for Tulsa to secede into Kansas.  We'd immediately be the largest city

Well, if we seceded and created our own state, we'd still be in the same situation funding-wise... Tulsa would be paying for its own stuff solely on its own.  Look at the state of our public universities... the ONLY reason they're expanding at ALL is because of LOCAL initatives like V2025--the Regents and all of OKC could care less whether Tulsa gets any funding, because they know we'll force ourselves to pay for it out of our own pockets...  Tulsa in its early days was an entirely self-sufficient town with big oil money that donated countless dollars to make Tulsa the 'rich little brother' compared to OKC... During the last few decades, though, it's become obvious that Tulsa can't sustain itself the way it used to... and it shouldn't be Expected to do everything by itself.  I've often compared Tulsa to a single mother with four kids, working three jobs, while OKC is the deadbeat dad who's decades behind in child-support.  It's time that changes...

That's a completely different topic, though... []  Point being, if we formed our own state, we'd be in no different a situation, except that maybe we could get our own federal dollars and actually see something done HERE with them  [].


I was glad to see that I wasn't the only young person (early 20s) in the group at the forum--there were five to ten of us at one point in the evening...  Many of John Eagleton's remarks were so snide, snarky and condescending (not to mention repetitive, simplistic and fundamentally incorrect) that I can see why people are so easily turned off by these kinds of events.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I say we secede from Oklahoma and create our own state. []

Sign me up!

I remember seeing an old Tulsa World article about "Tulsa, Kansas" and a whole thing about how it could be beneficial for Tulsa to secede into Kansas.  We'd immediately be the largest city

Well, if we seceded and created our own state, we'd still be in the same situation funding-wise...

...

Point being, if we formed our own state, we'd be in no different a situation, except that maybe we could get our own federal dollars and actually see something done HERE with them  [].

No, We would be better off.  Right now, State income, and state sales tax (4.5%) are taken away from Tulsa, and we get very little in return.  We wouldn't be in the same situation, we would have all of that money that currently flows out of town and into corrupt OKC-centric politicians at our disposal to fulfill the needs of Tulsa and surrounding communities.

[Conan71]

Ironic topic for secession (sp?) to come up on:

David Arnett, one of the occasional posters here and the chief information and media guy for Vision 2025 had proposed an area of NE and SE Kansas secede and form it's own state: "Sequoyah" I believe was the name he picked.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Ironic topic for secession (sp?) to come up on:

David Arnett, one of the occasional posters here and the chief information and media guy for Vision 2025 had proposed an area of NE and SE Kansas secede and form it's own state: "Sequoyah" I believe was the name he picked.

Here's the wikipedia link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Sequoyah

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Mentioned on
KTUL:
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0907/456606.html

FOX23:
http://www.fox23.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=21983@video.fox23.com&navCatId=5


Plenty of forum favorites there (you know who you are). I think DoubleA submitted about half of the questions. Apparently one of the "pro" speakers couldn't make it and her replacement wasn't exactly the best public speaker. Over 100 people were in attendance with more than one who didn't know the current vote had nothing to do with the channels.

Anyone else have any opinions?

I think Piercy hit happy hour before the forum. I was really unimpressed. I submitted five questions, I think. Eagleton and Tawney were outstanding.

I submitted like 3-4 and got one answered, you submitted at LEAST 5.

Too bad, I think about 3-4 of my questions got asked. Guess you should have asked better questions.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

I say we secede from Oklahoma and create our own state. []

Sign me up!

I remember seeing an old Tulsa World article about "Tulsa, Kansas" and a whole thing about how it could be beneficial for Tulsa to secede into Kansas.  We'd immediately be the largest city

Well, if we seceded and created our own state, we'd still be in the same situation funding-wise...

...

Point being, if we formed our own state, we'd be in no different a situation, except that maybe we could get our own federal dollars and actually see something done HERE with them  [].

No, We would be better off.  Right now, State income, and state sales tax (4.5%) are taken away from Tulsa, and we get very little in return.  We wouldn't be in the same situation, we would have all of that money that currently flows out of town and into corrupt OKC-centric politicians at our disposal to fulfill the needs of Tulsa and surrounding communities.

Don't forget all the federal funds that the state dictates where the spending happens, like highway funds, medical funds and the like.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Too bad, I think about 3-4 of my questions got asked. Guess you should have asked better questions.

I wrote mine early. The best one got asked, although the answer was largely avoided. I was just asking why "do the streets first" is heralded when no-one wants a streets tax either.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Too bad, I think about 3-4 of my questions got asked. Guess you should have asked better questions.

I wrote mine early. The best one got asked, although the answer was largely avoided. I was just asking why "do the streets first" is heralded when no-one wants a streets tax either.

I would support a tax to fully fund the 4 billion dollar backlog of needed unfunded infrastructure maintenance of not only streets, but for other needed improvements like the city wastewater treatment plant on the west bank- a glaring oversight in the concepts to be voted on in the Kounty Kommissar Kaiser Tax vote. The best one I wrote that got asked (re:utilization of local minority contractors) didn't get answered by anyone, it was completely disregarded by the panel.