Naming Rights to the Arkansas River?

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

If it gets us another couple hundred million I would be for it. Put a minumum bid out for the naming rights, and have an auction. Naming rights go to the highest bidder. What should the opening bid be? 300mill? 500? Would we get any takers lol?

Just name the River after Mr. Kaiser, and let HIM pay the $282 million in sales tax.

Kaiser River.

Sounds GREAT!

In the Phase II of the $0.004 Kaiser River Tax Master Plan, which starts in 2015, it is proposed that Tulsa County will be renamed, in exchange for $500 million in naming rights:

You guessed it.

Kaiser County.

In Phase III of the $0.004 Kaiser River Tax Master Plan, which starts in 2023, it is proposed that the City of Tulsa be renamed, in exchange for $1 billion in Naming Rights:

Kaiserslautern.  

Everyone will call it K-Town for short, in memory of T-Town.  

Gosh, I'm so sentimental.

[]

with all your *****en and bellyachen, how come you haven't mentioned the fact that the barns at the fair have a name?  Or does that not bother you?  You realize that if you can come up with enough cash, you can have something named after you too.  Just think, the FB freeway out of town. I appologize. I didn't mean to be unrealistic.

[cks511]

All of this would make an exceptional SNL skit.....LOL.....

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by cks511

All of this would make an exceptional SNL skit.....LOL.....

I've often thought that most of our forum would be great SNL material. Maybe thats why they're so funny, we can all identify.

All I wanted to point out is that those who keep saying the river is filled with sewage, is dangerous to the touch, is unmanageable and unsafe are simply not well informed or choose to remain so. Even when confronted with facts from reputable sources they continue with their snide remarks for political reasons more related to their stated positions. Then I see it spill into other areas as well. No one seems much interested in verifiable facts unless they fit their political position.

It then becomes a battle over who can repeat their mantra as many times and in as many ways as possible to defeat the non-believers. I can get that at any football game.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Have you guys no interest in truth and reality? You just seem to ignore anything that doesn't fit your little world. Kind of like Bushies and neo-cons.

You obviously have never kayaked the river. Never even floated it or waded into it outside of Zink lake. You have no basis other than your feeble observation abilities to judge the cleanliness of the river or its nature yet you continue spewing verbal sewage about it. No matter how much information provided by people who actually have worked on the river or who use it, you persist in spreading lies and misinformation. Shameful.

Truth is I think you guys don't even like Tulsa or nature. The Tulsa you like is long gone, never to return. I'm calling you out on this. Shadows, FB, CKS511, Chesty, AA, et.al, Do you folks even like Tulsa? Have you ever floated the Arkansas? Or the Illinois (which is no cleaner than the Arkansas btw only clearer)? I bet you couldn't answer four questions about the river without googling. 1.Why is the Arkansas river salty? 2. Where does the Arkansas river begin? Where is the natural crossing of the river that settlers and Indians used to cross the river before bridges were built? Why are there concrete cylinders in the river? If you can't then educate yourself some more before shooting your mouth off.

Another more important question is: Why in the hell do you stay in such an obviously inferior, politically corrupt city filled with intellectual sheep who are exploited continuously by their feudal tax vampire masters? Like FB says, its a bananna republic and always has been. If so FB, you are making no progress in changing that and judging by your insider information, NEVER WILL.

Everyday I log on to these pages looking for insights, commaraderie, enlightenment, education and fun. Instead I am barraged by new threads espousing negativism, sarcasm, ignorance and cruelty. Its boring because people stake out their positions and defend them with vitriolic personal attacks rather than discuss different views and seek a better understanding. That is more in line with a political forum than a community development forum. And I would rather do political discussions with a wider range of experience than is available in these parts.

Frankly, I agree with some who have proposed changes to the rules here. This is morphing into the old TulsaToday forum which was boring and nasty.

I've lived in Tulsa almost my entire life except   for the first few years of my life. I prefer the Barren Fork when I want to enjoy water recreation.

[shadows]

Waterboy:
As you criticize those who believe that nature did not provided the necessities to sustain life and it lies on the shoulders of the posters the burden to correct its fault; hiding behind an anonymous poster it would be so easy "to stand before bar of the native soul and let me question thee"

My name is listed with the address in the phone book.  I was born across from the cotton gin across from 5th and Quaker on December 29 in the year of 1920.  It is recorded at the building on the fair grounds (if that has not been renamed)  

I have ridden the rail trolleys from downtown to the wide street West of Lewis where it returned back DT.  Same trips to the other to Sand Springs line and their burbs.

I have seined skeletons while looking for bait from the Arkansas River but knowing the only battle of the war of 1860 was fought on the Arkansas they were returned to the river.  Then the famous Custer served part of is time at Fort Gibson.  

I have drunk water from the Illinois River and the Grand Neosho but never from the Arkansas River.  The fish from the river was considered by the natives as unclean and drinking water was brought from Sands Springs.   Now we bring our water to Tulsa through a hundred miles of pipe lines

Swimming or bathing in the river was considered a health hazard.

We have seen Zebco and Williams brothers start business in a double garage. We have seen National Tank, Spartan and Bethlehem Oilfield equipment among others leave town.

We have seen the crime rate continue to rise to where now one
needs to walk with several persons in the twilight hours.

We have the Wantabe's that move in on a town with their ideas of the changes in the political structure but they do not represent the hundred thousand voters that have gave up.

The largest threat to the establishment of a peaceful and tranquil city is its location to Oklahoma City.

It is not that I dislike the town or any town that is dedicated to the need of the majority of the people.  It is the wantabe snobs that want to change traditions I find fault with.  
     
 


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[Hometown]

Naming rights?  It says something about our era that anyone with enough money can have a major public facility named after them.  In the past we honored great people by naming public facilities after them.  Today we are nearing the ugly end of the Reagan Era and we have become money grubbers – plain and simple.  Everything and everyone is for sale.

Regarding Nature Works, and the animal art that lines Riverside.  Art world insiders laugh at animal art.  It isn't considered art.  I was appalled when I saw Nature Works advertising their annual animal art sale next to their animal sculpture "gifts" to the city of Tulsa.  Tacky.  

Now it's probably obvious to you by now that I am one of the dreaded naysayers.  In fact, let me say it out loud, I'm a naysayer and proud.  Archaic though I be, it's no, no and no from me.  But here's a surprise today, this old naysayer is voting yea.  Yea Arkansas River forever, animal art and all.

I'll be glad when the Reagan error has passed completely and we can get back to honoring great people.  I say, it's the Woody Guthrie Arena!

[Conan71]

HT- you just never quit with your Reagan-bashing do you?  Everything is Reagan's fault in HT's world. []

Eh, not much different than having a star on Hollywood Blvd.  Doesn't require any measure of talent nor respect for that person, just pay the money, get approved by the Hollywood CoC and you get your star.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

If it gets us another couple hundred million I would be for it. Put a minumum bid out for the naming rights, and have an auction. Naming rights go to the highest bidder. What should the opening bid be? 300mill? 500? Would we get any takers lol?

Just name the River after Mr. Kaiser, and let HIM pay the $282 million in sales tax.

Kaiser River.

Sounds GREAT!

In the Phase II of the $0.004 Kaiser River Tax Master Plan, which starts in 2015, it is proposed that Tulsa County will be renamed, in exchange for $500 million in naming rights:

You guessed it.

Kaiser County.

In Phase III of the $0.004 Kaiser River Tax Master Plan, which starts in 2023, it is proposed that the City of Tulsa be renamed, in exchange for $1 billion in Naming Rights:

Kaiserslautern.  

Everyone will call it K-Town for short, in memory of T-Town.  

Gosh, I'm so sentimental.

[]

with all your *****en and bellyachen, how come you haven't mentioned the fact that the barns at the fair have a name?  Or does that not bother you?  You realize that if you can come up with enough cash, you can have something named after you too.  Just think, the FB freeway out of town. I appologize. I didn't mean to be unrealistic.

Sorry, there is NO FREEWAY out of Tulsa.

Every Interstate is a TOLL ROAD.

That's just another example of the TULSA PREMIUM.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Waterboy:
As you criticize those who believe that nature did not provided the necessities to sustain life and it lies on the shoulders of the posters the burden to correct its fault; hiding behind an anonymous poster it would be so easy "to stand before bar of the native soul and let me question thee"

My name is listed with the address in the phone book.  I was born across from the cotton gin across from 5th and Quaker on December 29 in the year of 1920.  It is recorded at the building on the fair grounds (if that has not been renamed)  

I have ridden the rail trolleys from downtown to the wide street West of Lewis where it returned back DT.  Same trips to the other to Sand Springs line and their burbs.

I have seined skeletons while looking for bait from the Arkansas River but knowing the only battle of the war of 1860 was fought on the Arkansas they were returned to the river.  Then the famous Custer served part of is time at Fort Gibson.  

I have drunk water from the Illinois River and the Grand Neosho but never from the Arkansas River.  The fish from the river was considered by the natives as unclean and drinking water was brought from Sands Springs.   Now we bring our water to Tulsa through a hundred miles of pipe lines

Swimming or bathing in the river was considered a health hazard.

We have seen Zebco and Williams brothers start business in a double garage. We have seen National Tank, Spartan and Bethlehem Oilfield equipment among others leave town.

We have seen the crime rate continue to rise to where now one
needs to walk with several persons in the twilight hours.

We have the Wantabe's that move in on a town with their ideas of the changes in the political structure but they do not represent the hundred thousand voters that have gave up.

The largest threat to the establishment of a peaceful and tranquil city is its location to Oklahoma City.

It is not that I dislike the town or any town that is dedicated to the need of the majority of the people.  It is the wantabe snobs that want to change traditions I find fault with.  
     
 


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I grew up at 4th place and Lewis. That home was built in 1920. I also am in the phone book and not hard to figure who I am. My father is one of your elder playmates no doubt. He swam in that river as a child. I talk to him at length about the river at that time. The city built a waterworks off Charles Page boulevard, with settling tanks and treatment for public drinking though most folks had their own wells or cisterns for drinking water. The refineries, the slaughterhouses, the industrial folks during that time had no respect for anything but money. They made the water undrinkable without serious treatment. I respect your native heritage and your original town upbringing.

My only complaint with you Shadows, is that you say things like "the citizens dump sewage into the river". That is not true and hasn't been for many decades. You ignore health department testing that says it is safe for secondary contact (thats wading, boating, fishing). The water from both sewage treatment plants put into the river is rated for Primary
Contact. Its probably cleaner than the Illinois at that point. Yet you stick with your remarks because they suit your purpose. That is not right.

I understand if you think the fiscal part is wrong or that our governance is incompetent. Fine then register your complaints about that.  But the river was cherished by your ancestors. It fed them and their horses, it replenished the land. It deserves to be well managed. If you want no protections for it, then don't develop it. Out of sight...out of mind. Within a decade it will be polluted again.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Naming rights?  It says something about our era that anyone with enough money can have a major public facility named after them.  In the past we honored great people by naming public facilities after them.  Today we are nearing the ugly end of the Reagan Era and we have become money grubbers – plain and simple.  Everything and everyone is for sale.

Ok, I'm confused.  First of all public buildings, squares, parks, and arena's have been named in honor of donors people since Roman times.  In this country, the trend really picked up with tacky Universities like Harvard, Yale, and NYU.   Public buildings used to be fairly utilitarian and REGIONAL in their perspective.  So long as it was the nicest theater in town you win.

Now, the world is international in scope.  Tulsa can not simply build the nicest arena in town.  It has to keep up with the Joneses if th Arena is to be of any real benefit to the community.  That costs more money, to cover that cities have LONG turned to "free" money from advertisers.    When given the choice of naming the building "Tulsa Rules!11!11one!" or selling the name to BOk for $35 PER citizen in Tulsa... most will chose to sell it.  

quote:
Regarding Nature Works, and the animal art that lines Riverside.  Art world insiders laugh at animal art.  It isn't considered art.  I was appalled when I saw Nature Works advertising their annual animal art sale next to their animal sculpture "gifts" to the city of Tulsa.  Tacky.

And on the statute note, I'm sorry you are unable to appreciate all forms of art.  I could care less what the "art insiders" laugh at or  consider amazing.  Those are the same morons that pay millions for blobs of metal and canvas smeared with feces right?  If only we could live up to THEIR standards.  And I'm no Philistine, I appreciate arts of all forms on different levels.  In fact, I'd stack my visits to Philbrook, Gilcrease, the Jewish Museum of Art, the TAC Gallery, the TU Student's gallery  (etc. etc.) against most people if one were forced into a silly "I appreciate art more than you do!" contest.  Sad truth is, I probably buy more art than most people view in a year, and happily remain an outsider looking in (not a statement of how great my insight into art is nor the quantity I purchase, rather the lack thereof in modern society).  I form my own opinion, if others do not like it or "laugh" at what I really like who cares?  Its for my enjoyment.

Certainly the bronzes from Nature Works are not Michaelangelo's David, nor a mighty Egyptian Obelisk, nor do they rival TheArtist's Goddess of Oil statue.  But then again, these are public works of art DONATED to the city.  I enjoy seeing art of any kind around town [edit]with the exception of graffiti in inappropriate places and of usually poor quality[/edit].  My son very much enjoys the "bear fountain" and the buffalo from Nature Works.  As far as I'm concerned, that's enough of an art critic for me.

Here is the "high art" my alma mater paid thousands upon thousands of dollars for from Dennis Oppenheim.  The critics LOVED it as everyone kisses the "in" person's donkey.  90% of the general public that paid for it despised it.  I'll take the "Ducks Landing" from nature works and look forward to their future donations.  If you want to have some "insider" atrocity donated I'll happily work to help you have it installed for a discount, even if I don't appreciate it on the same level as the "insiders."

[Hometown]

Errrrr, sorry I didn't like Pergo.

Anyway,

Reagan era Virtue:  Money, Money and Money (and nothing else).

And I can remember all the little blue haired old ladies saying, I don't know anything about art but I know what I like.  They love animal art.

[Breadburner]

Are the fish in the river depressed.....

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Errrrr, sorry I didn't like Pergo.

Anyway,

Reagan era Virtue:  Money, Money and Money (and nothing else).

Well, lessee, I don't see how that's any different of a reality than the Bush I, Clinton, or Bush II eras, or even the Kennedy clan for that matter.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Are the fish in the river depressed.....

Why do you ask? Are they easier to catch that way or do you have some compassion for lonely fish?

[RecycleMichael]

My online doctor says that fish oil can cure depression...

http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20021018/fish-oil-eases-depression

Fish Oil Eases Depression

WebMD Medical NewsOct. 18, 2002 -- It may sound fishy, but researchers say taking a daily fish-oil supplement may boost the effectiveness -- or even replace -- antidepressants for treating depression in some people. In a new study, people who added a daily dose of omega-3 fatty acids to their regular antidepressant treatment had significant improvement in symptoms, including anxiety, sleeping problems, sadness, decreased sexual desire, and suicidal tendencies. Although there are many effective treatments for depression, most only work in a limited number of patients or have significant side effects that prompt users to stop taking them. That's inspired researchers to look for new ways to treat the mental illness or increase the effectiveness of existing treatments.

Previous studies have suggested that depressed people have lower-than-normal levels of a fatty acid known as EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid), which plays an important role in maintaining normal brain function. In this study, the researchers examined the effectiveness of adding various dosages of EPA supplement to normal drug therapy in 70 people with persistent depression that was not responding to standard antidepressants. The results appear in the October issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry. Researcher Malcolm Peet, MD, of Swallownest Court Hospital in Sheffield, England, and colleagues found that patients who took the lowest, 1-gram daily, fish-oil dose showed significant improvements on all major measures of depression compared with those who took a placebo. In particular, 69% of the patients who took the 1-gram dose had a 50% reduction in their symptoms, compared with only 25% of those who took a placebo. A 2-gram dose showed little effect, but those taking the highest, 4-gram, dose showed a trend toward improvement in symptoms. The researchers say larger studies are needed to confirm these effects. The omega-3 fatty acid may work to ease depression by improving the effectiveness and absorption of existing medications, the researchers say. But they note that a limited number of their patients who are not on antidepressant therapy have seen improvements similar to those seen in this study through treatment with fish-oil supplements alone. In addition, they say treatment with omega-3 fatty acid may be especially beneficial for depressed patients who are at risk for heart disease, in light of recent research about fish oil's heart-healthy effects.

After some confusion and lots of attention from area cats, I re-read the story and realized you eat the oil and don't just rub it on like lotion.

It did make my depression go away anyway.