4 tenths part 3? What would it have?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by chesty

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I would support collecting a toll fee on suburban cities that refuse to participate in the funding of regional developments. Don't know how it would be done but I read that St.Louis does it. Hmmm. Maybe we could build a wall...

Yeah, that'll work, if I was forced to pay a toll so I could get to work everyday, I'd move.  So would several other young, middle, and old professionals.  OKC has more jobs.  So does Dallas, Kansas City, and Joplin.  I did a quick check for my chosen skill and there are currently 4 job openings in Tulsa, using the same source for the same job in Denver, I find 287 jobs listed.  I'd move if Tulsa made it more prohibitive for me to get to work.  How's the lack of a work force ever going to allow Tulsa to attract new employers.

What I think Tulsa should do, is find a way to become more efficient by setting proper priorities based upon the role government is supposed to have in a community.  If this is done, I bet you will find that no tax increase will be needed to fix our roads and bring our crime rate down.  Priority needs to be on fixing current infrastructure, not on giving the mayor's staff a raise and financing a new city hall.  With such irresponsible spending, I can't believe you guys are actually discussing what you would spend the next tax increase on.

It's your money, why don't you spend it on yourself instead of discuss how you want government to spend it for you, or do you not trust yourself to spend your own money correctly?

Thanks for letting us know what Tulsa should be doing to improve. It means a lot to have someone on the outside giving us positive and balanced feedback. If you ever need/want any insights on utopian Owasso let us know. We'll be happy to return the favor.

+1. I look forward to a city income tax collected based on where you work that recovers some of the cost of providing infrastructure for those suburbans who use our city amenities, get paid to do so, then take the money home and refuse to support regional improvements. Then complain that there just isn't any opportunity for them in the big city.

[TheArtist]

I actually like the Dallas Tollways. Very convenient.

[Tiny]

you've got to have county gov and they've got to be able to collect a tax in order to function as with most counties in oklahoma that aren't covered by concrete such as tulsa county almost is ... the roads between the cities and towns have to be maintained as well as the county roads, dirt roads and what not ... county sherrif dept is also a necessary entity that requires people within that county to foot the bill ... now where I have a problem with county taxation is when they're used to collect taxes for city projects such as these river developements that only benefit parts of the county but all the county populations have to pay for it. the county shouldn't have that kind of power when it comes to development and collecting funds for certain cities in the county to have the benefits when they force the whole county's population to pay for it. it's like saying chandler oklahoma wants a new lake built ... let's call it bellcow lake so let's get the county to collect more taxes so that chandler can have it's new lake forcing stroud davenport tryon agra carny welston prague and all the little districts to pay for chandler's new lake to be built ... this is exactly what tulsa county is trying to do. I think if tulsa wants a dam then tulsa should have to pay for it ... if jenks wants one then let jenks pay for it and sand springs for their's. leave the other towns out of their wants.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Tiny

you've got to have county gov and they've got to be able to collect a tax in order to function as with most counties in oklahoma that aren't covered by concrete such as tulsa county almost is ... the roads between the cities and towns have to be maintained as well as the county roads, dirt roads and what not ... county sherrif dept is also a necessary entity that requires people within that county to foot the bill ... now where I have a problem with county taxation is when they're used to collect taxes for city projects such as these river developements that only benefit parts of the county but all the county populations have to pay for it. the county shouldn't have that kind of power when it comes to development and collecting funds for certain cities in the county to have the benefits when they force the whole county's population to pay for it. it's like saying chandler oklahoma wants a new lake built ... let's call it bellcow lake so let's get the county to collect more taxes so that chandler can have it's new lake forcing stroud davenport tryon agra carny welston prague and all the little districts to pay for chandler's new lake to be built ... this is exactly what tulsa county is trying to do. I think if tulsa wants a dam then tulsa should have to pay for it ... if jenks wants one then let jenks pay for it and sand springs for their's. leave the other towns out of their wants.

I'd be happy if they would just focus on taking care of our needs, first.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Tiny

you've got to have county gov and they've got to be able to collect a tax in order to function as with most counties in oklahoma that aren't covered by concrete such as tulsa county almost is ... the roads between the cities and towns have to be maintained as well as the county roads, dirt roads and what not ... county sherrif dept is also a necessary entity that requires people within that county to foot the bill ... now where I have a problem with county taxation is when they're used to collect taxes for city projects such as these river developements that only benefit parts of the county but all the county populations have to pay for it. the county shouldn't have that kind of power when it comes to development and collecting funds for certain cities in the county to have the benefits when they force the whole county's population to pay for it. it's like saying chandler oklahoma wants a new lake built ... let's call it bellcow lake so let's get the county to collect more taxes so that chandler can have it's new lake forcing stroud davenport tryon agra carny welston prague and all the little districts to pay for chandler's new lake to be built ... this is exactly what tulsa county is trying to do. I think if tulsa wants a dam then tulsa should have to pay for it ... if jenks wants one then let jenks pay for it and sand springs for their's. leave the other towns out of their wants.

I'd be happy if they would just focus on taking care of our needs, first.

Your needs or my needs?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Tiny

you've got to have county gov and they've got to be able to collect a tax in order to function as with most counties in oklahoma that aren't covered by concrete such as tulsa county almost is ... the roads between the cities and towns have to be maintained as well as the county roads, dirt roads and what not ... county sherrif dept is also a necessary entity that requires people within that county to foot the bill ... now where I have a problem with county taxation is when they're used to collect taxes for city projects such as these river developements that only benefit parts of the county but all the county populations have to pay for it. the county shouldn't have that kind of power when it comes to development and collecting funds for certain cities in the county to have the benefits when they force the whole county's population to pay for it. it's like saying chandler oklahoma wants a new lake built ... let's call it bellcow lake so let's get the county to collect more taxes so that chandler can have it's new lake forcing stroud davenport tryon agra carny welston prague and all the little districts to pay for chandler's new lake to be built ... this is exactly what tulsa county is trying to do. I think if tulsa wants a dam then tulsa should have to pay for it ... if jenks wants one then let jenks pay for it and sand springs for their's. leave the other towns out of their wants.

I'd be happy if they would just focus on taking care of our needs, first.

Your needs or my needs?

If you knew the difference between wants and needs I'd dignify your question with a response.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Tiny

you've got to have county gov and they've got to be able to collect a tax in order to function as with most counties in oklahoma that aren't covered by concrete such as tulsa county almost is ... the roads between the cities and towns have to be maintained as well as the county roads, dirt roads and what not ... county sherrif dept is also a necessary entity that requires people within that county to foot the bill ... now where I have a problem with county taxation is when they're used to collect taxes for city projects such as these river developements that only benefit parts of the county but all the county populations have to pay for it. the county shouldn't have that kind of power when it comes to development and collecting funds for certain cities in the county to have the benefits when they force the whole county's population to pay for it. it's like saying chandler oklahoma wants a new lake built ... let's call it bellcow lake so let's get the county to collect more taxes so that chandler can have it's new lake forcing stroud davenport tryon agra carny welston prague and all the little districts to pay for chandler's new lake to be built ... this is exactly what tulsa county is trying to do. I think if tulsa wants a dam then tulsa should have to pay for it ... if jenks wants one then let jenks pay for it and sand springs for their's. leave the other towns out of their wants.

I'd be happy if they would just focus on taking care of our needs, first.

Your needs or my needs?

If you knew the difference between wants and needs I'd dignify your question with a response.

Do you remember this from high school, Maslows Hierarchy of Needs? As a person moves through their life there is a natural evolution that occurs, with everyone. Our concerns, needs, thoughts, feelings about what is important, change. We arent just plants that need water, and sunlight or animals that just need food and shelter. We are human beings that have higher needs which when the lower needs are met, those higher needs feel none the less real or important. We arent just physical animals but thinking, creative, spiritual, beings as well. And to be fully human, to reach our full potential those higher needs must be allowed to be fulfilled.

Not everyone has the same needs or feels the same at the same time. But its good for a society to have a place for those who have achieved certain things in life, who are different, to be able to fully express and attain those higher needs. Everyone, no matter where they are in life should be thought of and given consideration. When your a child and you need a parent its no less a need than when your a young adult and need a partner to love. Sure people can live without both. But life is much richer and fuller with them. Is a loving parent a need or a want? Is a good road a need or a want( people managed for centuries without them)?  Is play a need or a want? Is a church a need or a want? Is a union a need or a want? Is beauty a human need or a want?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

[swake]

A "new" seven year $100 million city river tax (2/10th)

Repair Zink Dam   $25,000,000
Jenks Dam   $12,000,000
West Bank site Acquisition   $50,000,000
Riverbank Stabilization   $13,000,000

The Jenks dam to be built when Jenks provides a matching $12 million, which would likely come from the TIFF on The River District. Retain the living river plan and Sand Spring Dam plan for when (if) Federal funds come through and with overages (if any) of 2025. This might take a decade, but it still "might" get built.

A new permanent 1/10th cent sales tax to hire additional police and a new permanent 1/10th cent for citywide street repairs. Each would raise about $8 million in new annual money.

A $300 million street bond issue to catch up on reconstruction and widening projects. Include reconstruction of Riverside Drive.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by swake

A "new" seven year $100 million city river tax (2/10th)

Repair Zink Dam   $25,000,000
Jenks Dam   $12,000,000
West Bank site Acquisition   $50,000,000
Riverbank Stabilization   $13,000,000

The Jenks dam to be built when Jenks provides a matching $12 million, which would likely come from the TIFF on The River District. Retain the living river plan and Sand Spring Dam plan for when (if) Federal funds come through and with overages (if any) of 2025. This might take a decade, but it still "might" get built.

A new permanent 1/10th cent sales tax to hire additional police and a new permanent 1/10th cent for citywide street repairs. Each would raise about $8 million in new annual money.

A $300 million street bond issue to catch up on reconstruction and widening projects. Include reconstruction of Riverside Drive.

Sounds good - Riverside definitely needs to be reconstructed into more of a parkway.  I say let's get out of bed with the county and just do it on our own.  Hopefully Kaiser could still contribute something.

[RecycleMichael]

I want a new baseball stadium.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I want a new baseball stadium.

You need about $40 million. Donating city land would put you about $5 million towards that amount. Naming rights probably nets another $5. You still need another $30 million. You could extend the 2/10th tax to 9 years and probably get there.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake

A "new" seven year $100 million city river tax (2/10th)

Repair Zink Dam   $25,000,000
Jenks Dam   $12,000,000
West Bank site Acquisition   $50,000,000
Riverbank Stabilization   $13,000,000

The Jenks dam to be built when Jenks provides a matching $12 million, which would likely come from the TIFF on The River District. Retain the living river plan and Sand Spring Dam plan for when (if) Federal funds come through and with overages (if any) of 2025. This might take a decade, but it still "might" get built.

A new permanent 1/10th cent sales tax to hire additional police and a new permanent 1/10th cent for citywide street repairs. Each would raise about $8 million in new annual money.

A $300 million street bond issue to catch up on reconstruction and widening projects. Include reconstruction of Riverside Drive.

Swake, this is something I think you and I see eye-to-eye on.

[RecycleMichael]

The new Springfield stadium was $32 million.

The new Jacksonville park was $34 million.

The Montgomery stadium was only $26 million.

$40 million is probably about right.

Doesn't four tenths of a penny in just the city of Tulsa produce about $40 million a year?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by swake

A "new" seven year $100 million city river tax (2/10th)

Repair Zink Dam   $25,000,000
Jenks Dam   $12,000,000
West Bank site Acquisition   $50,000,000
Riverbank Stabilization   $13,000,000

The Jenks dam to be built when Jenks provides a matching $12 million, which would likely come from the TIFF on The River District. Retain the living river plan and Sand Spring Dam plan for when (if) Federal funds come through and with overages (if any) of 2025. This might take a decade, but it still "might" get built.

A new permanent 1/10th cent sales tax to hire additional police and a new permanent 1/10th cent for citywide street repairs. Each would raise about $8 million in new annual money.

A $300 million street bond issue to catch up on reconstruction and widening projects. Include reconstruction of Riverside Drive.

I would give sand springs the same matching funds opportunity. Mainly as I don't think Sand Springs could do it.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael


Doesn't four tenths of a penny in just the city of Tulsa produce about $40 million a year?

Here is my math; $288 million 75% collected in Tulsa or about $216 million. So about $54 million per tenth for seven years or $7.7 million per year.