The odds are - River Tax Vote

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

So far swake and JNE are the only two who think it will pass. I wonder how many are picking their side to lose.

The "no" vote is angry and noisy and is shouting down dissent and calling anyone who would disagree with them stupid. It makes the noise level in the vote seem like a certain defeat. But, in driving around most of the "no" signs are in rights of way likely placed by this group of angry "no" voters. That would also sound bad for the "yes" side, but, most signs actually in yards are "yes", by far. The only place I have seen around where this is flipped is in Broken Arrow.

I like to look at what's going on this board as an indicator. The "no" posts have to out number the "yes" by a two or three to one margin. I think in fact that this board is more strongly "no" overall than the general public and yet the latest poll of board members has a 54% to 46% percent margin in favor, so I went with that. But I wouldn't be shocked by an even stronger "yes" vote.

And the completely factless panic attacks from the "no" side, like stupid voter fraud allegations from Double A  is telling as well.

[jne]

Cheapest SOB in Tulsa just got behind the river tax.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1007/459975.html

[jne]

They should call it the Kaiser Tax as he will be picking up most of the bill.  I'm a bit skeptical about the spending discretions, but we are only being asked to scrape out some pocket lint.  This is the best chance we have to move on the river.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by swake


The "no" vote is angry and noisy and is shouting down dissent and calling anyone who would disagree with them stupid.

I think the YESSIRS are as angry as the NAYSAYERS.  The YESSIRS just use pastels.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by swake


The "no" vote is angry and noisy and is shouting down dissent and calling anyone who would disagree with them stupid.

I think the YESSIRS are as angry as the NAYSAYERS.  The YESSIRS just use pastels.

That's as inaccurate as most everything else on the no side. The "no" votes are literally frothing at the mouth. It's really weird this much anger on something as innocuous as river improvements on such a small tax.

If you don't believe me then go read the posts on here, and if that doesn't convince you go read the comments on the Tulsa World site. It's downright shocking.

And what is the "pastels" comment supposed to mean?

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

So far swake and JNE are the only two who think it will pass. I wonder how many are picking their side to lose.

I'm personally voting "Yes", but I'm pretty skeptical about the general public, which is my reason for saying the vote will not end positively.

[waterboy]

I predict a strong yes vote in the urban areas, and a heavy no vote in the north and the suburbs with the burbs barely losing 51/49. I don't think the burbs will show at the polls. They won't have the time.

Anyone want to hazard a guess on the total votes cast? I'm thinking less than 50,000.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by swake

BLAH BLAH BLAH

The YESSIRS are as likely to demonize NAYSAYERS as backward, do-nothing, stupid pooper sticks in the mud as the N's are to portray Y's as happy go lucky rock and roller big spenders.  The Y's are angry that they live in a podunk backwater of cultural stagnancy and are determined to do anything they can to beat that rap.  The Y signs are in pastels, Oz, which do not look as angry as the N signs.

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by swake

BLAH BLAH BLAH

The YESSIRS are as likely to demonize NAYSAYERS as backward, do-nothing, stupid pooper sticks in the mud as the N's are to portray Y's as happy go lucky rock and roller big spenders.  The Y's are angry that they live in a podunk backwater of cultural stagnancy and are determined to do anything they can to beat that rap.  The Y signs are in pastels, Oz, which do not look as angry as the N signs.

61% Yes 49% No

I appreciate the opinion of those opposed, but I've really only heard from a couple that had concrete well thought out reasons not to approve it and only one of those gave Pro's and Con's. Michael Bates article in UTW had some great points, but I wish he had given a more balanced opinion.

I'm a yes, my neighbors are all yes and my friends and family are for it.

[FOTD]

Vote Yes!


I predict there are no channel supporters. Therefore, it fails. %51 no, %49 yes.

Get out the TULSA vote and keep those BA and Owasso voters from showing up.....I still wonder if the Jenks voter really wants competition for Riverwalk which is hugely successful.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by swake

BLAH BLAH BLAH

The YESSIRS are as likely to demonize NAYSAYERS as backward, do-nothing, stupid pooper sticks in the mud as the N's are to portray Y's as happy go lucky rock and roller big spenders.  The Y's are angry that they live in a podunk backwater of cultural stagnancy and are determined to do anything they can to beat that rap.  The Y signs are in pastels, Oz, which do not look as angry as the N signs.

61% Yes 49% No

I appreciate the opinion of those opposed, but I've really only heard from a couple that had concrete well thought out reasons not to approve it and only one of those gave Pro's and Con's. Michael Bates article in UTW had some great points, but I wish he had given a more balanced opinion.

I'm a yes, my neighbors are all yes and my friends and family are for it.

C'mon, you live in Riverview. You guys supported the Channels. The absentee ballots cast should be quite interesting.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

61% Yes 49% No

That is 110 per cent.

Outside of the math portion of your comments, I agree with you.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

61% Yes 49% No

That is 110 per cent.

Outside of the math portion of your comments, I agree with you.

Geez, Rm, your such a stickler for math.

Here's my prediction--all those in favor of the vote will predict it wins; all those opposed to it will predict it loses.  I bet my prediction is the closest[].

[FOTD]

I reserve the right to reguesstimate just in case we see another bribe come out in the media.....surely there's more to come. A land swap in BA for votes?

[RecycleMichael]

The turnout will be the key.

The "no" folk are pretty good at getting to the polls. I guess "agin" is just stronger than "fer" as a passion.

The county library vote a couple of years back had a low turnout (32,000 voters) and failed badly losing two to one.

Vision 2025 was a big turnout (128,000) voters and passed 60 to 40 percent.

The turnout will be the key. If it is good weather and everybody gets reminded to vote, the thing will pass. If not, I predict it will fail.

I think the "no" side will get about 35,000 to the polls next Tuesday. If the yes side wants to win, they will need to get their folk out.

Under 70,000 voters, no wins. Over 70,000 voters, yes wins.