The New Tulsa Landing (if the river vote passes)

[carltonplace]

I want the Drillers downtown. I'm very happy that the west bank could be developed and I'll be the first one there for happy hour, but down town needs a baseball field more than the river does. It still doesn't diminish the announcement for me.

[Conan71]

Feh, I think we ought to throw a penalty flag at the yes campaign for "piling on".

[Sangria]

I was just thinking Tulsa needs a brand new baseball stadium for people to not go to.


Are those people on drugs?[]

If not.... can someone please pass them a reality pill before it's too late?

[dsjeffries]

KTUL reported on this and had some renderings... Renderings which made me smile--they were multi-level and at least looked like they could have apartments over businesses, and that's something that was mentioned in the KTUL story... Residential makes me happy. [^]

KTUL says that it will include a 4-star hotel, as well... something not mentioned in the TBJ article.

I'm Very excited about this development--I've been anxiously waiting for some kind of announcement or visual representation of their vision.  So far, it looks promising.

I don't care what size the stadium is, really, and from the maps, the stadium could be kicked out of the plan and it would still be an impressive development--the stadium is at one end of the development across the street...  
I DO like the fact that it seems favorable for soccer! :-)

It's interesting that they're also including a 'major cultural attraction or museum' as part of the plan... Now, who wants to guess what this attraction or museum is?

KTUL just put up the video and article.  You can pause it on the maps and renderings...
Check it out: http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/1007/460761.html

I'm actually taking screenshots of the renderings... They'll be up here shortly.

[YoungTulsan]

That baseball stadium in the rendering would really have a nice view.

That being said, 22,000 seats?  I heard a report on the radio (I think KRMG but I sometimes cant tell them and KFAQ apart when not paying attention) that merely referred to it as a "sports facility".  22,000 seats would make it prime for a potential MLS stadium.  At the very least it should be multi-purpose.

So what would happen if we got AAA baseball?  Would that shut down the Drillers?  Would they keep the Drillers franchise and name - and upgrade/trade up players?

[bassfisher74133]

Honestly I was a Vote NO person but now after seeing this plan I have decided to vote YES! On the river.

Hopefully someone can educate me on this river plan because I have a few questions on more of a south Tulsa friendly plan.

Basically some of the questions I have are back when the river plan was originally drawn up it was almost the full river bed that was being developed from 101st to 21st  (I believe) and it included water taxi's and little river channels that made small river walks up and down the river bank... is this still planned or have they done away with dressing up the south Tulsa area???

Where can I look at the art renderings for there plan?

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by bassfisher74133

Honestly I was a Vote NO person but now after seeing this plan I have decided to vote YES! On the river.

Hopefully someone can educate me on this river plan because I have a few questions on more of a south Tulsa friendly plan.

Basically some of the questions I have are back when the river plan was originally drawn up it was almost the full river bed that was being developed from 101st to 21st  (I believe) and it included water taxi's and little river channels that made small river walks up and down the river bank... is this still planned or have they done away with dressing up the south Tulsa area???

Where can I look at the art renderings for there plan?

I think it was pie in the sky thinking all of that INCOG river corridor stuff was going to happen anytime soon.  (assuming the tax passes) we'll get the low water dams, a few new park areas donated, and some commercial development will pop up here and there.  But funding for the entire Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan (I think thats what it is called) would cost many times more than what we are currently freaking out at each other over.  In other words, it is easy to make renderings of all this stuff on the river, but funding it is an entirely different story.  Maybe if this tax passes, we'll have another "phase" to vote on in 7 years - or maybe an entire penny when 2025 runs out.  And it will always remain incomplete enough to continue to vote on more taxes and keep the construction companies rolling in the green.

[Rico]

      Si este es lo verdad....?

It sounds very, very, interesting.....

They say it can all be built in two years...?

Must be a lotta private dinero on the table.

This position at a poker table is when you get to see everyone's cards...

It would be normal to hear a follow up from the City Hall..


As I said Kenosha....

"For a ten pound bag of 100 Dollar Bills$$$$
I will vote yes."

This may weigh pretty close to 10 pounds.

[dsjeffries]

I was looking more closely at the renderings and noticed something VERY interesting about the above picture....

I noticed the oil derrick earlier, but this time, I noticed the Drillers' logo...  See it now?

I know it's just Huffman's plan, but maybe it indicates that a river location actually hasn't been ruled out.

[Rico]

The way this vote will happen... If passed.. The land acquisition would be property placed in the hands of the City of Tulsa.

Then it would be put out as an RFP...(Request for Proposals)
I think they have to do that according to law.

What sort of guarantee does the City or Mr. Huffman have that he would be the chosen RFP..?

Is it legal to place property out on an RFP basis.. if the winning RFP has already been chosen?

Could one of the fine Attorneys on the board help with this...?

[?]

[sgrizzle]

I really like the renderings. Structured parking and pedestrian atmosphere.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Rico


The way this vote will happen... If passed.. The land acquisition would be property placed in the hands of the City of Tulsa.

Then it would be put out as an RFP...(Request for Proposals)
I think they have to do that according to law.

What sort of guarantee does the City or Mr. Huffman have that he would be the chosen RFP..?

Is it legal to place property out on an RFP basis.. if the winning RFP has already been chosen?

Could one of the fine Attorneys on the board help with this...?

[?]

No question, the RFP process would have to be followed.

What has happened here is that Huffman and HCW have put their cards on the table early.  They want the voters to know that if they support the property acquisition, there will be at least one  viable, financed proposal immediately on the table.  They probably also want to head off competitors.  There's nothing improper about this--it's a strategy by the developer to take full advantage of the political process.  That's why this "Tulsa Landing" is still nothing but pretty pictures.  There is most likely a design team on standby, waiting on poll results, to put some specifics on paper.  

The bottom line is: unlike the TDA's acquisition of the Towerview property, and unlike like old City Hall, there's a developer with financial backing waiting in the wings.  This is not a gamble.  This is a sure thing, if the voters approve the property acquisition.

[Double A]

I think this is a sure thing even if the vote fails. I still vote no.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I think this is a sure thing even if the vote fails. I still vote no.

Please take time to read, doubleA.

The construction will hinge on Tulsa County voters approving the sales tax on Oct. 9, said Rick Huffman, CEO.
Why would you try and write something else? What possible knowledge do you have that the rest of Tulsa doesn't have on this project?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I think this is a sure thing even if the vote fails. I still vote no.

Please take time to read, doubleA.

The construction will hinge on Tulsa County voters approving the sales tax on Oct. 9, said Rick Huffman, CEO.
Why would you try and write something else? What possible knowledge do you have that the rest of Tulsa doesn't have on this project?

Just my opinion, never made any other assertion, so don't try to put your spin in my mouth cause it would make it unclean. Maybe you should take the time to read? Here's another opinion, cronyism, nepotism and the good ole' boy network are what holds Tulsa back and the family llc is the personification of that. How'd ya like them apples? Cheers.