The New Tulsa Landing (if the river vote passes)

[BKDotCom]

quote: The construction will hinge on Tulsa County voters approving the sales tax on Oct. 9, said Rick Huffman,...

quote: "Passage of the vote is necessary for land acquisition," Huffman said Wednesday morning.

Where's the spin??

[Breadburner]

He's a developer he can by his own land.....

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

He's a developer he can by his own land.....

As mentioned in one or the articles, the land may stay city property, leased to the developer. Tulsa's Urban development group will tell you there have been dozens of developers consider Tulsa, all scared off because they need the land to be in one parcel. It's not the cost of the land, it's getting it in one parcel. The east end is an example of why not having it in one parcel is a bad thing. We now have multiple developers owning pieces and the remaining land owners jacking up their prices enormously. Urban Tulsa wants millions for their on-ramp shack.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm going to do some more research into this project and see if I can't find anything, I heard some whispers and will try to confirm the details they floated.  

However...

The LARGEST stadium in AAA right now is 22,000 and that's in Omaha.  Most are in the 10-15,000 seat range (what we have now).  Of the AAA teams it seems Charlotte (White Sox) and the Yankees teams might move (Yankees want to move their team down the road, Charlotte wants to bid on a MLB franchise), the mention of Des Moines is a failing one as they have a wonderful new stadium and amazing fan support - too bad, I'm a comes fan.

[edit]One more thing, the NEW stadiums on the following list are in the 10-12K range. [/edit]

AAA Stadiums:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/aaaballparks.htm

Not sure what a 22+K sports venue would be for in Tulsa if not MLS or AAA, that's a ton of people.

on a side note, this is in fact the same line the developer has been giving for months:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/08/24/2885371.htm

Just letting a little more slip to get the votes.  Smart move from him.  And yes, as mentioned above - the developer said getting 100 urban acres in a single plot is the problem.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Feh, I think we ought to throw a penalty flag at the yes campaign for "piling on".

No, this isn't piling on.

The piling on happens in the next couple of days when based on this development plan Jim Inhofe announces his support of the tax plan.

I will say it again, 54%-46% yes.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'm going to do some more research into this project and see if I can't find anything, I heard some whispers and will try to confirm the details they floated.  

However...

The LARGEST stadium in AAA right now is 22,000 and that's in Omaha.  Most are in the 10-15,000 seat range (what we have now).  Of the AAA teams it seems Charlotte (White Sox) and the Yankees teams might move (Yankees want to move their team down the road, Charlotte wants to bid on a MLB franchise), the mention of Des Moines is a failing one as they have a wonderful new stadium and amazing fan support - too bad, I'm a comes fan.

[edit]One more thing, the NEW stadiums on the following list are in the 10-12K range. [/edit]

AAA Stadiums:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/aaaballparks.htm

Not sure what a 22+K sports venue would be for in Tulsa if not MLS or AAA, that's a ton of people.

on a side note, this is in fact the same line the developer has been giving for months:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/08/24/2885371.htm

Just letting a little more slip to get the votes.  Smart move from him.  And yes, as mentioned above - the developer said getting 100 urban acres in a single plot is the problem.

This morning's Whirled says that the "sports facility" is NOT for minor league baseball.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'm going to do some more research into this project and see if I can't find anything, I heard some whispers and will try to confirm the details they floated.  

However...

The LARGEST stadium in AAA right now is 22,000 and that's in Omaha.  Most are in the 10-15,000 seat range (what we have now).  Of the AAA teams it seems Charlotte (White Sox) and the Yankees teams might move (Yankees want to move their team down the road, Charlotte wants to bid on a MLB franchise), the mention of Des Moines is a failing one as they have a wonderful new stadium and amazing fan support - too bad, I'm a comes fan.

[edit]One more thing, the NEW stadiums on the following list are in the 10-12K range. [/edit]

AAA Stadiums:
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/aaaballparks.htm

Not sure what a 22+K sports venue would be for in Tulsa if not MLS or AAA, that's a ton of people.

on a side note, this is in fact the same line the developer has been giving for months:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/08/24/2885371.htm

Just letting a little more slip to get the votes.  Smart move from him.  And yes, as mentioned above - the developer said getting 100 urban acres in a single plot is the problem.

This morning's Whirled World says that the "sports facility" is NOT for minor league baseball.

They're sniffing out MLS.  I'm sure of it.  The "multi-sport facility" is a placeholder until the vote result is known.  Too much financial insecurity to even mention bringning a franchise here at this point.  Where they hell is that USRufnex dude?  I'm just going on what he's posted in the past.

And yes, this, plus Inhofe, *might* put the plan over the edge.  Maybe.  51-49, if we're lucky.  Let the wailing and gnashing of teeth begin . . .

[Conan71]

The timing of the renderings is not all that surprising.  In lieu of having the major details worked out, throw out a little more window-dressing.  Even though Huffman's development is but one potential for the RFP, they've got someone who could crank out some quick renderings and build more excitement.

I did notice from the rendering that the ball park or multi-sport facility would be on the former city maintenance and engineering facility.  That would be a logical use of the land.

I'm still not swayed, patience people, patience.

[brunoflipper]

c'mon 7...

[sgrizzle]

Is USRufnex being intentionally silent?

Someone, take him to gitmo and see what he knows!

[cannon_fodder]

We find out USRuf is really George Kaiser and he has bought the KC Wizards.  They are moving here no matter what, but he wants his river tax to pass.  I love you George, do you need a personal attorney?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

c'mon 7...

Bruno, I'm not much of a soccer guy.  Put a 3/8 mile dirt oval in the stadium and I'm in. []

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

c'mon 7...

Bruno, I'm not much of a soccer guy.  Put a 3/8 mile dirt oval in the stadium and I'm in. []

Chili bowl, I presume?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

c'mon 7...

Bruno, I'm not much of a soccer guy.  Put a 3/8 mile dirt oval in the stadium and I'm in. []

Chili bowl, I presume?

Chili Bowl is made famous by it's indoor location and should stay indoors. But with no circle cirt racing at the fairgrounds or anywhere else in tulsa, something needs to be done.

[Conan71]

Grizz is right.  Being indoors is the cool factor, that and the time of year ensures huge car counts.

I still remember buying a "First Annual" Chili Bowl shirt in 1987 before the races and chuckling thinking they effed up by putting "annual" on it as hardly anyone figured it would happen again.

A race track by the river would never, ever fly, just couldn't resist tossing that one back @ Bruno.

One of these days, I'll scan some of my old racing photos and post one from time-to-time.