Wednesday Morning Quarterback

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

What did the Yes side do well?
Widespread campaign using multiple communication forms.

The best was the one that showed yet another conceptual rendering of a Broken Arrow River Development when Broken Arrow wasn't getting anything. The Chamber should use the same PR people in future campaigns.

The majority of my midtown Cherry St. precinct voted no and I didn't even bother to knock on doors or call like I usually do in my precinct in the run-up to elections.

The best thing about this vote is we now have a list of preachers, politicians, public personalities & pundits who can be bought and who cannot. The voters have a list to check twice now that they know who's naughty or nice.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/PUKES_sm.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/3Amigas_small.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/westcott_flash.jpg[IMG]

My friend, you stand for everything that is hateful and trashy about local politics in Tulsa, OK.  Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what your motivations are.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

What did the Yes side do well?
Widespread campaign using multiple communication forms.

The best was the one that showed yet another conceptual rendering of a Broken Arrow River Development when Broken Arrow wasn't getting anything. The Chamber should use the same PR people in future campaigns.

The majority of my midtown Cherry St. precinct voted no and I didn't even bother to knock on doors or call like I usually do in my precinct in the run-up to elections.

The best thing about this vote is we now have a list of preachers, politicians, public personalities & pundits who can be bought and who cannot. The voters have a list to check twice now that they know who's naughty or nice.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/PUKES_sm.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/3Amigas_small.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/westcott_flash.jpg[IMG]

My friend, you stand for everything that is hateful and trashy about local politics in Tulsa, OK.  Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what your motivations are.

Hate the game, not the playa. Unified for the Northside.

[chesty]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

What did the Yes side do well?

What did the Yes side do poorly?

What did the No side do well?

What did the No side do poorly?



there was no filing of any campaign financing documents. It is hard for me to be supportive of any group that won't follow simple rules.

Pardon me....I did too.

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

I was suprised to hear Ken Yazel was against it....

Why?  It's pretty simple.  He wanted the money for himself.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A
Unified for the Northside.

I didn't realize you were a northsider.

Did you move?

[tim huntzinger]

The Y's jumped the shark, too many promises too much catastrophizing, and the timing was bad, too.

The N's website sucked, but they did manage to broaden the coalition of the unwilling.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

What did the Yes side do well?
Widespread campaign using multiple communication forms.

The best was the one that showed yet another conceptual rendering of a Broken Arrow River Development when Broken Arrow wasn't getting anything. The Chamber should use the same PR people in future campaigns.

The majority of my midtown Cherry St. precinct voted no and I didn't even bother to knock on doors or call like I usually do in my precinct in the run-up to elections.

The best thing about this vote is we now have a list of preachers, politicians, public personalities & pundits who can be bought and who cannot. The voters have a list to check twice now that they know who's naughty or nice.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/PUKES_sm.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/3Amigas_small.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/westcott_flash.jpg[IMG]

My friend, you stand for everything that is hateful and trashy about local politics in Tulsa, OK.  Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what your motivations are.

Hate the game, not the playa. Unified for the Northside.

There's no game if nobody plays.  It's time to stop parochialism in Tulsa.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

What did the Yes side do well?
Widespread campaign using multiple communication forms.

The best was the one that showed yet another conceptual rendering of a Broken Arrow River Development when Broken Arrow wasn't getting anything. The Chamber should use the same PR people in future campaigns.

The majority of my midtown Cherry St. precinct voted no and I didn't even bother to knock on doors or call like I usually do in my precinct in the run-up to elections.

The best thing about this vote is we now have a list of preachers, politicians, public personalities & pundits who can be bought and who cannot. The voters have a list to check twice now that they know who's naughty or nice.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/PUKES_sm.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/3Amigas_small.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/mistymountainhop/westcott_flash.jpg[IMG]

My friend, you stand for everything that is hateful and trashy about local politics in Tulsa, OK.  Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what your motivations are.

Hate the game, not the playa. Unified for the Northside.

Class(less) warefare, that is so you. And it's what's killing this town.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

It's time to stop parochialism in Tulsa.

What do you have against private schools? Nyuck nyuck . . .

[RecycleMichael]

This is the Tulsa World slant on the election results...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=071010_1_A5_hNort27813

North Tulsa was tax's undoing
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
10/10/2007

Northside and north Tulsa County voters by large margins rejected the proposal.

North Tulsa and north Tulsa County dealt the most devastating blow to the $282 million river development proposal that was rejected Tuesday, according to unofficial returns. Twenty-nine north-Tulsa precincts rejected the measure 6,700 votes to 1,504 -- more than 4-to-1 -- and precincts outside the city limits turned thumbs down by as much as 8-to-1.

Even with the overwhelming "no" vote in north Tulsa and substantial opposition in eastern precincts, the measure did pass in the city, 52 percent to 48 percent. Tulsa and Jenks were the only municipalities in Tulsa County to vote for the measure. "This election is proof that north Tulsa is fed up with the way things have been and we are a force to be reckoned with," City Councilor Roscoe Turner said during a watch party at Sadie's Coffee House, 537 E. 36th St. North. State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, also praised north Tulsa County voters. "I'm excited because this voting machine that we have is working, and the turnout proves that," Brogdon said. "People have been engaged in this debate and have expressed their opinion."

Some north Tulsans said they were offended by Mayor Kathy Taylor's late revelation during a north Tulsa press conference that the plan included $5 million for pools and parks in low-income areas. "When Taylor offered the $5 million out here, the race was over," said Pamela Smith, a coordinator with the "No River Tax" campaign. "Don't come out here and sell us cheap. We can't be bought."

Jane Malone, a north Tulsa advocate, said: "This is not about wants; it's about needs. They shouldn't have planned for us but with us." Most of the votes for the proposal came from central and south Tulsa and Jenks. Broken Arrow, whose chamber of commerce and city government came out against the plan, voted against it by slightly less than 2-to-1.

The proposal also failed in Bixby and Sand Springs. City Councilor Jack Henderson said the grassroots effort against the river tax was able to get the message out "that north Tulsa has been ignored way too long." "We've been asked to vote on things and we haven't gotten anything from our vote," Henderson said. "At this point, as far as future elections go, we want a seat at the table. If you want our vote, there has to be something in it for us."

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

This is the Tulsa World slant on the election results...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=071010_1_A5_hNort27813

North Tulsa was tax's undoing
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
10/10/2007

Northside and north Tulsa County voters by large margins rejected the proposal.

North Tulsa and north Tulsa County dealt the most devastating blow to the $282 million river development proposal that was rejected Tuesday, according to unofficial returns. Twenty-nine north-Tulsa precincts rejected the measure 6,700 votes to 1,504 -- more than 4-to-1 -- and precincts outside the city limits turned thumbs down by as much as 8-to-1.

Even with the overwhelming "no" vote in north Tulsa and substantial opposition in eastern precincts, the measure did pass in the city, 52 percent to 48 percent. Tulsa and Jenks were the only municipalities in Tulsa County to vote for the measure. "This election is proof that north Tulsa is fed up with the way things have been and we are a force to be reckoned with," City Councilor Roscoe Turner said during a watch party at Sadie's Coffee House, 537 E. 36th St. North. State Sen. Randy Brogdon, R-Owasso, also praised north Tulsa County voters. "I'm excited because this voting machine that we have is working, and the turnout proves that," Brogdon said. "People have been engaged in this debate and have expressed their opinion."

Some north Tulsans said they were offended by Mayor Kathy Taylor's late revelation during a north Tulsa press conference that the plan included $5 million for pools and parks in low-income areas. "When Taylor offered the $5 million out here, the race was over," said Pamela Smith, a coordinator with the "No River Tax" campaign. "Don't come out here and sell us cheap. We can't be bought."

Jane Malone, a north Tulsa advocate, said: "This is not about wants; it's about needs. They shouldn't have planned for us but with us." Most of the votes for the proposal came from central and south Tulsa and Jenks. Broken Arrow, whose chamber of commerce and city government came out against the plan, voted against it by slightly less than 2-to-1.

The proposal also failed in Bixby and Sand Springs. City Councilor Jack Henderson said the grassroots effort against the river tax was able to get the message out "that north Tulsa has been ignored way too long." "We've been asked to vote on things and we haven't gotten anything from our vote," Henderson said. "At this point, as far as future elections go, we want a seat at the table. If you want our vote, there has to be something in it for us."

myopia, it's a disease.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper


myopia, it's a disease.

and a contagious one, at that.  See how clusters of the outbreak were concentrated around midtown?

[RecycleMichael]

I completely disagree with the slant to the story.

North Tulsa was only 7,500 total votes out of over 127,000 cast (6%).

North Tulsa has never supported a sales tax or bond issue. They always vote no and the results are very similar no matter what the issue. They feel disenfranchised (hard not to agree) and are generally skeptical about government.

This was the Tulsa World giving North Side leaders credit when they were going to vote no anyway.

What caused this election to tip to the no side was the thousands of Broken Arrow voters who normally vote yes and this time voted no.

Why would the Tulsa World ignore that? What is in their favor to not give the Broken Arrow Mayor and City Council credit and instead give the credit to north Tulsa?

If the campaign had somehow done reasonably well, say 45 percent yes, in Broken Arrow instead of 35 percent yes, the issue would have passed with flying colors.

That is where this election was won or lost, not in the small number of northsiders who voted.

[chesty]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger



The N's website sucked, but they did manage to broaden the coalition of the unwilling.

I'm sorry you think it sucked.  This was my first attempt at web design.  I didn't have much time time to learn.  I just had to go with what I had.  I was as hurried a county commissioner trying to rush a tax issue to a vote!

[Conan71]

There's really no myopia here.  RM is dead-on with his analysis of the north side vote, a lot of people on that side of town just don't turn out to the polls.

I was amazed at the number of yes signs up in No Tul when I've been up there on business in the last few weeks.  Many yes signs in yards which was a shock.  

North Tulsa was neglected for years and years, city government has only in the last twenty years begun to make meaningful changes in that area of the city.  I can understand their lack of trust and cynicism.  I can understand why they thought the $5mm private gift was patronizing.  That should have been on the table from day 1, not as a last-minute inducement.

I'm really surprised Sand Springs voted it down, yet I guess winding up with a 9+% sales tax was a turn-off.