Hooray -- Money doesn't buy everything !!!!!

[Tony]

Millions spent on YES vote and grassroots NO won the day -- a WIN for the WILDLIFE existing in OKLAHOMA'S BRAIDED PRAIRIE RIVER --

Now on to round two [}:)]

NO built this nation-- it started in Boston at the docks, led to the shot heard round the world, and thus began REAL GROWTH -- no more taxation without representation !!!!

[cks511]

It's a great day for us 'normal' folk!  But, they'll be back.

[Rowdy]

The vote made me feel great knowing I definitely did not stand alone in the minority when it concerned getting our act together on other issues.  When Tulsa gets its grass mowed and streets repaired along with a few other issues to where at least they are not abysmal, then I will consider saying YES.  

[Breadburner]

The people have spoken (the ones with sense anyway)......

[cannon_fodder]

Million.  Not MillionS.  And I still have not heard were the "grass roots" movement got all of its funding?

Apparently Kaiser said he will concentrate on other areas now and his "poverty center" in San Fran and the developer of the Tulsa Landing has said they need to reevaluate their plans.  Combining for a nearly $700,000,000.00 loss of private money for the city.  That's what really sucks.

BUT:  The NOs won the day.  What now?  I presume you will deliver the better roads, more funding for schools, and alternative development plans for the river that were hinted at by the no campaign.  I anxiously await your proposals because no matter the source I still want to see progress.

[brunoflipper]

i 'm sure they are about to anounce an amazing plan

[carltonplace]

Hurray for throwing away $700,000 in development, keeping Tulsa and its river stagnant.

Let's fix the streets now! I propose a 1/4 penny sales tax to the tune of $277,000 with no matching federal funds, private donations or projects to last for 7 years and Tulsans can pay for it alone.  

All you Vote No people have to do is mark out "river" on your vote no signs and replace it with "roads" and then start sticking them back in the ground.

[T-Town Now]

I can hardly wait to hear where the funding for all those street repairs is going to come from. Taxes normally pay for street repairs, and with no new development, and no new reason for people to come to Tulsa for entertainment, I don't see the tax base growing all that much.

If a city isn't growing, it's dying.

[nuclear_2525]

I'd like to add as well, that I am a born Tulsa boy and in college at OU.  I was really excited about this vote, as well as most of my friends who are also from Tulsa.  I think the impact of the 'No' vote goes far beyond tax dollars.

I won't be coming back, and neither are any of my friends.  OKC just passed an additional 280 million in school funding after passing 750 million just a few years ago.  

My money and I, are staying in OKC.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by nuclear_2525


My money and I, are staying in OKC.

THATS the sad reality.  I am a rare exception.  A young professional who decided to come to Tulsa.  Without more like me or even our born youth returning, Tulsa is doomed.  We do not offer high wages, we do not offer a vibrant lifestyle, nor an urban lifestyle.  We do not have the best climate.  The smoothest roads. Nor the best schools.

We have crime that is too high.  We have an entire section of the city that has been stagnant for generations.  We have a political establishment thats built in and wont change the basic rules.

For gods sake, will some vote "NO" person put a positive spin on this for me.  I get to save $100 a year... whoohoo.  I'd rather save my community.

[Townsend]

I'm curious how many "no voters" voted against The Channels yesterday.

I have a feeling that's about all the research they did before they voted.

[T-Town Now]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

I'm curious how many "no voters" voted against The Channels yesterday.

I have a feeling that's about all the research they did before they voted.

There may be more truth to that than you suspect. I have two friends, both were against the tax, and both live outside of the City of Tulsa (one in Owasso, and one in Broken Arrow).

Neither of them had the ability to see the potential benefits a development like this could spark. All they could see was the additional tax, and I suspect neither really understood that this was not The Channels.

[chesty]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Million.  Not MillionS.  And I still have not heard were the "grass roots" movement got all of its funding?

BUT:  The NOs won the day.  What now?  I presume you will deliver the better roads, more funding for schools, and alternative development plans for the river that were hinted at by the no campaign.  I anxiously await your proposals because no matter the source I still want to see progress.

We got our money $5-25 dollars at a time.  Yes we filed with the ethics commission.  That's where we got ALL of our funding.

OK, the No vote won the day.  Hopefully we got the attention of our elected officials and they will start acting on our priorities.  If not, I pray that someone credible will run against them.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by chesty

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Million.  Not MillionS.  And I still have not heard were the "grass roots" movement got all of its funding?

BUT:  The NOs won the day.  What now?  I presume you will deliver the better roads, more funding for schools, and alternative development plans for the river that were hinted at by the no campaign.  I anxiously await your proposals because no matter the source I still want to see progress.

We got our money $5-25 dollars at a time.  Yes we filed with the ethics commission.  That's where we got ALL of our funding.

OK, the No vote won the day.  Hopefully we got the attention of our elected officials and they will start acting on our priorities.  If not, I pray that someone credible will run against them.

Where will we get the money to do these things?  It feels as though the "No Voters" will just do the same thing to any plan.  I can't imagine there will be a strong following for the new streets commission.

Where will this group focus the needs?  I can't imagine the majority will be North of Pine.

[YoungTulsan]

Our hatred and protest needs to be directed at Oklahoma City where it belongs.  The State of Oklahoma is taking 4.5 cents of sales tax, which is the ONLY way municipalities are allowed to raise funding for improvements.  Revenues for the state are at an all time high.  Meanwhile Tulsa and smaller communities are faltering while OKC politicians hoarde all of the money in the capitol.  They even reduced the income tax recently because they thought they had TOO MUCH MONEY.  We need to reduce, or outright REMOVE the state sales tax.  If the state will not send us any of our money back, then we need to be ALLOWED to spend as much of our OWN money on OURSELVES as neccesary.  Basic city functions of Tulsa are already to the point that they need another penny of operating revenue.  This is just for police, fire, parks, basic services like mowing ROWs, etc.  This is before streets and development opportunities are even considered.  This is why we are making desperation maneuvers like annexing the fairgrounds.  Reducing state sales tax is our best chance of ever getting all the things we need done locally funded.