this should be our next great project...

[brunoflipper]

6th street plan

as part of the new comprehensive plan, this could have the potential to make a huge impact on tulsa...

well designed and an actual smart plan with tangible benefits... plus, it'd be cheap in comparison to anything else we've looked at recently and we've already completed parts of it...

there would be positive spill over into downtown and even perhaps, north tulsa... a chunk of our section of route 66 get will brought back to life even more and a dodgy neighborhood gets renovated without being gentrified...

tell me why we should not all get behind this...
the plan is a couple of years old now...
let's get it rolling...

[sgrizzle]

I doubt you will find much opposition..

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I doubt you will find much opposition..

i know, that is just it... you add up the numbers in the end of that plan and it looks like 50 million bucks gets the whole damn thing done... so why can't we figure out a way to fund this?

more green space, new parks, ponds/canals, neighborhood and business redevelopment- what is to lose?

that neighborhood desperately needs help... it is adjacent to downtown and a huge limiting factor for developers... it is as if you've got a deadzone from peoria to utica and the ba up to 412... this plan only goes down to 11th but im certain that from 11th down to the BA would be rapidly redeveloped if this went down to the north of it... hell, the new development in cherry street is going gangbusters and just itching to be able to spread north across the highway...  
it brings TU closer to downtown and fixes the ****e surrounding hillcrest...

the plan looks solid, the parts that we've already done (central park and the senior center) look great... why not run with it?...

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I doubt you will find much opposition..

i know, that is just it... you add up the numbers in the end of that plan and it looks like 50 million bucks gets the whole damn thing done... so why can't we figure out a way to fund this?

more green space, new parks, ponds/canals, neighborhood and business redevelopment- what is to lose?

that neighborhood desperately needs help... it is adjacent to downtown and a huge limiting factor for developers... it is as if you've got a deadzone from peoria to utica and the ba up to 412... this plan only goes down to 11th but im certain that from 11th down to the BA would be rapidly redeveloped if this went down to the north of it... hell, the new development in cherry street is going gangbusters and just itching to be able to spread north across the highway...  
it brings TU closer to downtown and fixes the ****e surrounding hillcrest...

the plan looks solid, the parts that we've already done (central park and the senior center) look great... why not run with it?...

I'l go ahead and channel DoubleA and say that while the plan is nice, it doesn't do a lot for the general populace. No guarantee of low-cost housing (so far it is quite the opposite) and there are also no major features that will draw large crowds to get a ROI.

[brunoflipper]

the plan references higher density while maintaining social diversity and it talks specifically about low cost housing as well...

that property is so undervalued, that anyone (including the city) would find it easy to get an ROI

[TheArtist]

I keep harping on doing the Pearl District plan. I was saying they should have left out the 90 mill living river concept and the 15 mill downtown river connector, and done this instead. Though that would have weighed it to definitely appearing to be more of a "just Tulsa" plan. Perhaps if we do a city vote next time, we can add this instead.  Cost less, more impact.  

We just need to keep voicing this as an option we would like to see done, every time we meet an official. Get it in the public eye more so that they can know it exists.

[RecycleMichael]

I like what the plan shows.

This can be done and could be a centerpiece of a new comprehensive neighborhood revitalization effort citywide.

The only problem I see is that too many of the citizens in Tulsa never go there. They think that area is unsafe and too far north to be worth saving. All they care about is wider streets in south Tulsa so they can drive faster during rush hour.

It is time that we change the focus from "grow out" to "fix up".

[Conan71]

Improve it and they will come.  This is the sort of re-development which adds to the hip factor of a city.  When you have a showplace like that so close to the central business district it goes a long way in improving the image to YP's.

Spruce up an area and it removes the image of being "dangerous".

I'm in.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm just not excited about any more "plans."  According to the plans, the city would have been a shining gem of the world years ago.  

/pissed off, should stop posting for a few days.

[carltonplace]

I really want this. I know we funded a small amount in the last 3rd penny, but it was under the heading "Elm Creek Flood Mitigation Project".

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'm just not excited about any more "plans."  According to the plans, the city would have been a shining gem of the world years ago.  

/pissed off, should stop posting for a few days.

CF need a hug?

[OurTulsa]

I know many people out there in the Mid-town, inner-city area that would really like to see this plan carried out.  We see the plan as an opportunity to create a very vibrant, thoroughly urban and walkable neighborhood for our city and bridge the gap btwn TU, Cherry St. and downtown.

We're off to a great start with Central Park and the Village.

The canal and three lakes amidst urbanity would be very unique and enjoyable.  
 
Two of Tulsa's vital commercial streets help form the Pearl (11th/Peoria), though 6th St. could actually be the gem of the district.  If you have not seen the view of the skyline coming from Utica it's worth the jaunt over there.  

I have heard some suggest that the City is actually taking baby steps forward towards having the Pearl be the testing grounds for a Form Based Code.  That's an exciting prospect.  An FBC would replace our rediculously outdated and in this area completely irrelevent Zoning code with a new set of standards that actually speak to and could easily enable the current desired outcome.  It would be difficult to carry out the Pearl plan with our current zoning code.  It could be accomplished but there would be so many PUD's and Variances that part of the Zoning Map would soon be illegible and unmanagable.  The Form Based Code could really simplify the process.  
The FBC could establish some much needed predictability assuring potential investors, residents and developers that their risks establishing good urban form in the Pearl won't be crapped on by some pecker putting in a metal bldg. behind two rows of barren asphalt and calling it new commercial development.  
I would be curious to see what sort of building types they would come up with and if the 'restoration area' would remain.  Lots of people love the idea of retaining these pockets of tiny bungalows but this close to downtown I would suggest much higher densities.  I know there are a fair amount of renovatable sf homes in the 6th/Peoria/11th/Utica pocket but most IMO should be scraped.

Am I a Form Based Code cheerleader?  Yep, Yep!

Another reason for doing the Pearl plan is that they still have the community organization and consensus.  There would be district support for most of the details; no fighting over curly ques in public meetings.  Brookside has a plan (a lottle bit different) but it seems they have the hardest time deciding whether its partly cloudy (neighborhood assoc.) or mostly sunny (Brksd. Bus. Assoc.) down there.  Nothing I've seen on TGOV comes easy down there.  I don't know of any other part of the City with this sort of organization and consensus already in place.  

Build it and they will come.  Do the Pearl first!

[Breadburner]

Inconjunction with the Crow Creek Corridor.....

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Inconjunction with the Crow Creek Corridor.....

The recent muti-million dollar (and ugly) remodel of Place One and the high price of the homes along the creek closer to Peoria will keep that idea from ever happening.

The homeowners lining the creek don't want development, they don't even want a trail along the creek. And they don't want to sell and taking peoples homes against their will for private development will never go over.  

The project is too costly and there is zero political will to get it done. Drop it, it will never happen.

[Chicken Little]

Talk about a neighborhood that wants it.  Poke around on their website and look at all the things they are working on together...farmer's market, form based codes, business promotion, maps and plans...whew!

Bruno's right, they do have plans that try to support diversity and they are trying to create opportunities for affordable housing. And they also want to preserve the existing businesses and industry, and improving mass transit.  With those kinds of goals, I don't see it evolving into a playground for the rich.  It'll be a cool, livable, place, and extremely different for Tulsa, but maybe not too yuppie.

/Speaking of working-man's paradise, is there a thread on the new brewery that is being constructed in the 'hood?