Should Nobel Laureate Al be Restored ....

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

As I've said, I'll take the track record of the Nobel Peace Prize committee over someone who is "a half-trillion dollars is worth this quagmire in Iraq" Baghdad Bob like iplaw.

When you actually have some credibility and common sense, then I might consider your beefs.

Again, what does that statement have to do with anything other than giving you an opportunity to throw out a few pathetic ad hominems?  As usual, zero substance.

You do realize that stellar "track record" includes nominating Adolph Hitler for a Nobel....

[rwarn17588]

He was NOMINATED. Anyone can be NOMINATED. The key was that he didn't win.

It still doesn't change the fact that you have no credibility.

Don't you have some briefs to file?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

He was NOMINATED. Anyone can be NOMINATED. The key was that he didn't win.

It still doesn't change the fact that you have no credibility.

Don't you have some briefs to file?

Yeah.  He was nominated by a "committee member."  A committee you praise the track record of... a committee that actually gave a wanton terrorist responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of Israelis a "peace prize."

Got anything else or are you just happy with the opportunity to get in a few ad hominems?

[rwarn17588]

<iplaw wrote:

Yeah. He was nominated by a "committee member." A committee you praise the track record of... a committee that actually gave a wanton terrorist responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of Israelis a "peace prize."

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Which is why the Nobel is a committee -- so that one person who makes a mistake doesn't screw everything up. Therefore, Hitler doesn't win.

When Arafat won, it was a shared prize with Israel's prime minister and Israel's foreign minister because they'd just hammered out a historic peace settlement. It was thought at the time that Arafat had a change of heart, like Anwar Sadat did years earlier.

It's always easy to be critical of the prize in retrospect, but the peace deal was widely praised at the time.

The Nobel Peace Prize committee is not clairvoyant. It cannot predict the future or Arafat's later intentions.

The Israelis later killed untold numbers of Palestinians, too. It's not like Israel has clean hands in this.

In the big picture, the Nobel Peace Prize has made indisputably many, many terrific selections. It has one bad nominee and three that appeared good at the time but turned sour.

Again, its track record is much better than yours.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<iplaw wrote:

Yeah. He was nominated by a "committee member." A committee you praise the track record of... a committee that actually gave a wanton terrorist responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of Israelis a "peace prize."

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Which is why the Nobel is a committee -- so that one person who makes a mistake doesn't screw everything up. Therefore, Hitler doesn't win.

When Arafat won, it was a shared prize with Israel's prime minister and Israel's foreign minister because they'd just hammered out a historic peace settlement. It was thought at the time that Arafat had a change of heart, like Anwar Sadat did years earlier.

It's always easy to be critical of the prize in retrospect, but the peace deal was widely praised at the time.

The Nobel Peace Prize committee is not clairvoyant. It cannot predict the future or Arafat's later intentions.

The Israelis later killed untold numbers of Palestinians, too. It's not like Israel has clean hands in this.

In the big picture, the Nobel Peace Prize has made indisputably many, many terrific selections. It has one bad nominee and three that appeared good at the time but turned sour.

Yes, but more than enough proof that they CAN and DO err which was the ENITRE point in the first place.  Gore's award may well be one of those that we look back upon and laugh at.

quote:Again, its track record is much better than yours.

At what?  Nominating people for rediculous awards?  I agree.

Or is this just a pathetic attempt at a cheap shot?  I don't think you want me rehashing your previous posts to highlight issues with your credibility...or you could just knock off the ad hominems.  The choice is yours.

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Just as a point... Hitler was nominated and then retracted when, unfortunately, the war he started in Europe precluded the Swedish Academy (The Norwegian Parliament appoints the committee for the Peace Prize, but the Swedish Academy Awards it) from assembling to grant any awards in 1938.  Ironic no?

Also nominated: Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini.

And lets not forget Yassar "kill the Jews" Arafat.  
- Theodore "The most ultimately righteous of all wars is a war with savages" Roosevelt
- Charles Gates Dawes: responsible for "allied reparations committee" after WWI.  Which in large part led to WWII.  GJ!
- Shimon Peres: "When you win a war, your people are united and applaud you. When you make peace, your people are doubtful and resentful."
- Yitzhak Rabin:  Assassinated how many people again?  (There has been 5 awards for peace in the middle east.  Glad we got that fixed!)
- Lê Ð#7913;c Th#7885; and Henry Kissinger:  Supposedly for "ending" the Vietnam war.  Though both had a large part in participation in it.  Does Bush get an award when we eventually leave Iraq?  (Tho turned it down btw).

- Al Gore got one, Ghandi did not.


Look, it's the only "spot on" award given by the committee.  It is not for past acts, its for whatever is the most popular act during that moment to whomever is the highest profile.  Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes - not so much.  Yay for Al for winning one, but IMHO it is more for sport than achievement when compared to the other Noble Awards  (guy who invented modern memory for today's electronics got one... Al got one for raising awareness of a potential problem everyone knows about).

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quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

He was NOMINATED. Anyone can be NOMINATED. The key was that he didn't win.

It still doesn't change the fact that you have no credibility.

Don't you have some briefs to file?

Weak very weak....

[HazMatCFO]

What does climate change have to do with peace?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by HazMatCFO

What does climate change have to do with peace?

They are fighting in Georgia and elsewhere over water.....just wait until countries are at war over water, clean air, space, and food along with oil.

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**Sniff Sniff**

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by HazMatCFO

What does climate change have to do with peace?

They are fighting in Georgia and elsewhere over water.....just wait until countries are at war over water, clean air, space, and food along with oil.

EVERYONE PANIC!!!!!!

[FOTD]

No need to panic....but be fearful. No need to panic just yet. Wait for 4 years of Mista 911....then things will be so screwed up that every American will live in total fear. That's Mista 911's will. Hillary? Same deal. I still wonder if America will vote for a bald man over a bad institutional democrat. Be afraid. Tis the season you know.....BOO!

[Breadburner]

**Sniff Sniff** Obama is that you or are you wearing ax body spray....

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Q Dana, back to the meeting with Al Gore. I wonder just about the President's reasoning for inviting the former Vice President. Does he want to hear from the former Vice President about global warming, or does he view this as an opportunity maybe to make amends, or to reconcile the past? What is his thinking about what --

MS. PERINO: I didn't ask the President his psycho -- I didn't psychoanalyze the President to find out why he decided to invite Al Gore to the White House. There is an annual event in which the President invites the Nobel Prize winners -- American Nobel Prize winners to the White House. Al Gore happens to be one of those recipients this year. And I believe it was a presidential, gentlemanly and a friendly thing to do to invite Al Gore to the White House. They have a private meeting, and I'm not going to intrude on that. Obviously, President Gore -- Vice President Gore will bring up anything that he wants to bring up. But just remember --

Yes, the official Bush spokesperson finally let the truth slip out: President Gore.

I only wish President Al had called the D.C. police while he was in the Oval Office and had Bush evicted as a squatter.