Oklahoma lawmaker shows prejudice against Islam

[kakie]

quote:Originally posted by jne

Kakie, You feign this open-minded, "I just want to learn" position. Would you just admit that you are scared to death of Islam? There is nothing anyone can say to change your position. I do hope that more Muslims will take a stand against violence committed in the name of their religion. Thats not the point here. Anyone can see that the statements Duncan made were mean spirited and/or ignorant generalizations about the people who believe in one of the worlds largest religions. And now many other lawmakers are rolling in the same dirt.  Its an embarrassment to our state.  

Remind me never to have coffee with Kakie.

 Do you see what you are doing, Michael?  You are refusing to answering specific questions about statements you made by trying to turn it around on me and making it my problem. This is quite typical when Muslims are asked the tough questions about Islam.  This diversionary tactic won't work anymore, Michael.  Please answer the questions about what you wrote.  
Here they are again:

"Most Islamic organization are busy fighting to exist right now, within the law."

What do you mean "within the law"? What is the problem?

"As long as Christian organizations attack Islam, by the creation of "Islamo-Fascist Week", political or religious rallies, TV shows that are only used as propaganda for the destruction of Islam; You can expect a fight."

Islamo-Facist Week has to do with the strick interpretation of Islam that calls for stoning people to death, killing infidels, taxing non-Muslim with the tax of inferority (9.29) and so on. Wouldn't Muslims who don't practice this type of Islam join in with everyone to help bring pressure on the world to stop the practice of this version of Islam? Your remark is very similar to what CAIR says - its an attack on Islam. This is worrisome because your statement therefore seem to condone this version. Are you a Muslim, Michael?

"No, you don't have to accept anything as part of a Religion. Most people, in this country, have enough sense to realize that infractions in the name of Christianity are the exception, rather than the rule. Though many choose not to give the same consideration to Islam. It is discrimination by definition."

Here again you are denying that a very strick version of Islam gives rise to jihadists and there a several world-wide Islamic organization trying to take over regions of the world. They have infiltrated the U.S. We are aware of this infiltration.

And what is done in warfare, is entirely separate from Christianity or Islam. Beheadings, kidnappings, torture, bombings, or even a Christian US Soldier slaughtering an Islamic family for no defensible reason. No one makes the judgment that all of US forces are evil or that it was done in the name of Christianity, yet you seem to be particularly interested in any incident that can stereotype Islam.

Again, you lump all of Islam with the strick version and call it an attack on all of Islam or stereotying it. This is just a diversinary tactic that fails to address the problem that strick, or consevative, or literal, or primitive Islam causes. You are not addressing the fact that everyday several terrorists in the name of ISLAM kill people in different parts of the world. Everyday, Michael. Aren't they really the warriors of Islam who are promised a grade higher in paradise as stated in the Quran? Doesn't Chapter 9 in the Quran cover how to wage a war, or Chapter 8 or CHapter 31? Are you going to deny this is in the Quran?

I've heard Muslims say there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim - you are either a Muslim or you are not. Is this true?

"All that needs to happen, is less complaining, more understanding that Islam is diverse and just like Christianity, the number of criminals committing crimes in the name of the religion is small. And religions are used as tools by clerics and political leaders and strong-men for some other goal. It's never the fault of the Religion itself."

How many mosques in the U.S. do you think are under the influence of either the Saudi's or the Muslim Brotherhood? There is documented evidence that supports what I state.

[MichaelC]

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You crack me up kakie.

[kakie]

Wont work, Michael.  

Do you see what you are doing, Michael? You are refusing to answering specific questions about statements you made by trying to turn it around on me and making it my problem. This is quite typical when Muslims are asked the tough questions about Islam. This diversionary tactic won't work anymore, Michael. Please answer the questions about what you wrote.
Here they are again:

"Most Islamic organization are busy fighting to exist right now, within the law."

What do you mean "within the law"? What is the problem?

"As long as Christian organizations attack Islam, by the creation of "Islamo-Fascist Week", political or religious rallies, TV shows that are only used as propaganda for the destruction of Islam; You can expect a fight."

Islamo-Facist Week has to do with the strick interpretation of Islam that calls for jihadism, stoning people to death, killing infidels, taxing non-Muslim with the tax of inferority (9.29) and so on. Wouldn't Muslims who don't practice this type of Islam join in with everyone to help bring pressure on the world to stop the practice of this version of Islam? Your remark is very similar to what CAIR says - its an attack on Islam. This is worrisome because your statement therefore seem to condone this version. Are you a Muslim, Michael?
"No, you don't have to accept anything as part of a Religion. Most people, in this country, have enough sense to realize that infractions in the name of Christianity are the exception, rather than the rule. Though many choose not to give the same consideration to Islam. It is discrimination by definition."

Here again you are denying that a very strick version of Islam gives rise to jihadists and there a several world-wide Islamic organization trying to take over regions of the world. They have infiltrated the U.S. We are aware of this infiltration.

And what is done in warfare, is entirely separate from Christianity or Islam. Beheadings, kidnappings, torture, bombings, or even a Christian US Soldier slaughtering an Islamic family for no defensible reason. No one makes the judgment that all of US forces are evil or that it was done in the name of Christianity, yet you seem to be particularly interested in any incident that can stereotype Islam.

Again, you lump all of Islam with the strick version and call it an attack on all of Islam or stereotying it. This is just a diversinary tactic that fails to address the problem that strick, or consevative, or literal, or primitive Islam causes. You are not addressing the fact that everyday several terrorists in the name of ISLAM kill people in different parts of the world. Everyday, Michael. Aren't they really the warriors of Islam who are promised a grade higher in paradise as stated in the Quran? Doesn't Chapter 9 in the Quran cover how to wage a war, or Chapter 8 or CHapter 31? Are you going to deny this is in the Quran?
I've heard Muslims say there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim - you are either a Muslim or you are not. Is this true?

"All that needs to happen, is less complaining, more understanding that Islam is diverse and just like Christianity, the number of criminals committing crimes in the name of the religion is small. And religions are used as tools by clerics and political leaders and strong-men for some other goal. It's never the fault of the Religion itself."

How many mosques in the U.S. do you think are under the influence of either the Saudi's or the Muslim Brotherhood? There is documented evidence that supports what I state.

Do you realize the way you respond is an answer in and off itself?

[MichaelC]

lol

Keep on spinning those wheels big daddy.

And check your PM more often, ya putz.

[Jeff Man]

Your unwilliness to answer questions about what you wrote leaves me to conclude you cannot be considered a realiable person to have any type of discussion about Islam.  You are either ignorant of Islam or are hiding something about Islam.  It is one or the other or you wouldn't be so evasive or defensive.  You've been outed, IMO.

I applaud Kakie for trying to dig a little deeper with the tough questions that must be answered about Islam.  More people in Tulsa need to do the same.

[Wingnut]

Hi Jeff Man,
Welcome to the food fight.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Jeff Man

Your unwilliness to answer questions about what you wrote leaves me to conclude you cannot be considered a realiable person to have any type of discussion about Islam.  You are either ignorant of Islam or are hiding something about Islam.  It is one or the other or you wouldn't be so evasive or defensive.  You've been outed, IMO.

I applaud Kakie for trying to dig a little deeper with the tough questions that must be answered about Islam.  More people in Tulsa need to do the same.

Applaud away.

I have no intention of writing an entire book to explain why you are all simple bigots.  I'll let your words speak for me.

Now, if you want to throw down on Christianity, let me know.  I'm a champ.  There are things that probably shouldn't be said.  And I'll only stay on defense as long as I want to be nice.  I'm not feeling much like being nice.  Not anymore, not as long as you fools are around.

[MichaelC]

And kakie, ya putz, where's my PM?  You read it a couple hours ago.

Where's your sense of urgency now?

And how stupid do you have to be, to spam the last page?  I'll say this one more time.  I'll answer any freakin question any of you idiots have, one at a time.  You want to bombard me with bull****, good luck.  You can continue your bigotry on your own.

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

And kakie, ya putz, where's my PM?  You read it a couple hours ago.

Where's your sense of urgency now?

Michael,

You always have two choices in a debate.  You can either raise your voice, or you can strengthen your argument.  You have obviously chosen the former even though you were given the opportunity for the latter.  This demonstrates a void in your understanding of the philosophy you are attempting to defend.  

When I was in college this is what we called the conclusion of the debate.

We then went for drinks and apologized for harsh language and furrowed brows.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

And kakie, ya putz, where's my PM?  You read it a couple hours ago.

Where's your sense of urgency now?

And how stupid do you have to be, to spam the last page?  I'll say this one more time.  I'll answer any freakin question any of you idiots have, one at a time.  You want to bombard me with bull****, good luck.  You can continue your bigotry on your own.

I thought you left along time ago...So your back and leaving again....

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

And kakie, ya putz, where's my PM?  You read it a couple hours ago.

Where's your sense of urgency now?

Michael,

You always have two choices in a debate.

This has never been a debate, not anywhere close.  It's been two people posting craziness, then posting the same stuff again.  There is no discussion.

So, you're wrong.  And there is a third option.  Go on offense.  Which I haven't chosen to do yet.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

I thought you left along time ago...So your back and leaving again....

And I see you're still a liar, fabulous.

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

And kakie, ya putz, where's my PM?  You read it a couple hours ago.

Where's your sense of urgency now?

Michael,

You always have two choices in a debate.

This has never been a debate, not anywhere close.  It's been two people posting craziness, then posting the same stuff again.  There is no discussion.

So, you're wrong.  And there is a third option.  Go on offense.  Which I haven't chosen to do yet.

Oh!  So you're holding back.  I'm disappointed.
You sneaky little rascal you.

[MichaelC]

So back on point, we'll see if the goon squad in nose bleed has calmed down or not.

Again, for the last time, you want me to answer a question, you're going to give it to me one question at a time, and you're damn well going to discuss it.  

I don't have time to be bombarded by bigotry.  I will answer your questions though.

[Jeff Man]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

So back on point, we'll see if the goon squad in nose bleed has calmed down or not.

Again, for the last time, you want me to answer a question, you're going to give it to me one question at a time, and you're damn well going to discuss it.  

I don't have time to be bombarded by bigotry.  I will answer your questions though.

Bombarded by bigotry?  Hey Kakie was asking about what you wrote, buddy.

Ok, you said you would answer questions one at a time.  So here goes - I'm just using one of Kakie's questions.  It's a good place to start.

I somehow think you will worm you way out of anwering it but prove me wrong:


"As long as Christian organizations attack Islam, by the creation of "Islamo-Fascist Week", political or religious rallies, TV shows that are only used as propaganda for the destruction of Islam; You can expect a fight."

Islamo-Facist Week has to do with the strick interpretation of Islam that calls for jihadism, stoning people to death, killing infidels, taxing non-Muslim with the tax of inferority (9.29) and so on.

Wouldn't Muslims who don't practice this type of Islam join in with everyone to help bring pressure on the world to stop the practice of this version of Islam? Your remark is very similar to what CAIR says - its an attack on Islam. This is worrisome because your statement therefore seem to condone this version.

Are you a Muslim, Michael?