President Reagan and immigration

[RecycleMichael]

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Last summer, USRufnex posted this excerpt from Reagan's farewell address to the nation and I just wanted to post it again.

In his farewell address to the nation in January 1989, Reagan beautifully wove his view of free trade and immigration into his vision of a free society: "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here."

[Hometown]

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

and then

Jesus loves the little children,
All the children of the world.
Red and yellow, black and white,
All are precious in His sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

Silly me, I grew up believing these things.  Still do.

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Last summer, USRufnex posted this excerpt from Reagan's farewell address to the nation and I just wanted to post it again.

In his farewell address to the nation in January 1989, Reagan beautifully wove his view of free trade and immigration into his vision of a free society: "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here."

Great speech used for the wrong premise.  No one hates immigrants.  This country is built on immigrants!  Those that take the path towards becoming a citizen of this country, or who respect the opportunity offered here enough to gain a work permit and participate in our economy.  Reagan-minded Republicans honor these people.  They are to be admired, and the cultures they share with us become part of our vast cultural fabric.

People hate rape, murder, theft, and all other actions classified as illegal.  I guess that would include sneaking into the country illegally.  Enjoying all of the wonderful opportunities, educations, and services our country has to offer without paying the taxes necessary to support them.  Not accepting responsibility for the burden and liability placed on our society by these illegal actions.  How is this different than theft?

I feel bad for the aspiring Americans coming from Mexico that are now facing the prospect of perhaps never acquiring permanent work status or citizenship, because liberals are glamorizing the status of illegal aliens by referring to them as immigrants.  

Think about this as you gobble up the talking points thrust at you by the media.  You notice that no one is using the term "illegal alien" any more.  It became "illegal immigrant" for a while, and now they are just referred to as "immigrants."  They have been elevated to an honorable status that they do not deserve.

And again I say, with all due respect, it is wrong to apply the words of Ronald Regan to reference criminals that choose to dig under a fence, rather than walk through an open door.

[Hometown]

Chances are your granddaughter will have a Spanish surname.  But you will have been educated by then.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Chances are your granddaughter will have a Spanish surname.  But you will have been educated by then.

At least he will have one.....

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Really? I can't understand people idolizing Ronald Reagan....

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Really? I can't understand people idolizing Ronald Reagan....

Really?  There are several million immigrants who owe their legal status to Reagan's 1986 immigration reform who should idolize him.  Also a whole bunch of free people in eastern Europe as well.  That's just in areas of human rights...

Should I go on?

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Really? I can't understand people idolizing Ronald Reagan....

Really?  There are several million immigrants who owe their legal status to Reagan's 1986 immigration reform who should idolize him.  Also a whole bunch of free people in eastern Europe as well.  That's just in areas of human rights...

Should I go on?

And there are some who regarded him as a villain, specifically civillians in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, and other third-world nations.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I can't believe all the republicans who idolize Ronald Reagan yet hate immigrants.

Last summer, USRufnex posted this excerpt from Reagan's farewell address to the nation and I just wanted to post it again.

In his farewell address to the nation in January 1989, Reagan beautifully wove his view of free trade and immigration into his vision of a free society: "I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here."

Great speech used for the wrong premise.  No one hates immigrants.  This country is built on immigrants!  Those that take the path towards becoming a citizen of this country, or who respect the opportunity offered here enough to gain a work permit and participate in our economy.  Reagan-minded Republicans honor these people.  They are to be admired, and the cultures they share with us become part of our vast cultural fabric.

People hate rape, murder, theft, and all other actions classified as illegal.  I guess that would include sneaking into the country illegally.  Enjoying all of the wonderful opportunities, educations, and services our country has to offer without paying the taxes necessary to support them.  Not accepting responsibility for the burden and liability placed on our society by these illegal actions.  How is this different than theft?

I feel bad for the aspiring Americans coming from Mexico that are now facing the prospect of perhaps never acquiring permanent work status or citizenship, because liberals are glamorizing the status of illegal aliens by referring to them as immigrants.  

Think about this as you gobble up the talking points thrust at you by the media.  You notice that no one is using the term "illegal alien" any more.  It became "illegal immigrant" for a while, and now they are just referred to as "immigrants."  They have been elevated to an honorable status that they do not deserve.

And again I say, with all due respect, it is wrong to apply the words of Ronald Regan to reference criminals that choose to dig under a fence, rather than walk through an open door.

If you have "teeming masses... with the will and the heart to get here" and the laws make it so that they cant, then obviously when they are here, they broke the law and are illegal. However, if we say they can come here and the laws are such that they can. There would be no reason to dig under a fence because "anyone with the will and the heart to get here" would not have to. They would be legal.    

Its like saying,,, the doors are open, but yet we open them only a crack. We do not really welcome the teaming masses.



We say the doors are open, but the laws open them only a crack. If we truly welcomed anyone with the will and the heart to get here. Then we would create laws that would allow them to do so without having to risk death in some desert or ocean, pay huge sums to "coyotes", or dig under a fence. If we believed that it was a moral and good thing to keep the doors truly open for those who have the will and the heart, we wouldnt create laws that turn them into crimilals when they do.


We should create laws that result in "strong walls with wide open doors" rather than laws that create "porous walls and doors open only a crack".

[MH2010]

I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt kind of guy

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt kind of guy

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

What a racist.

[rwarn17588]

Teddy Roosevelt also was a vocal opponent against torture, including waterboarding, and human-rights abuses.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6647.html

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt kind of guy

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

What a racist.

You're showing your ignorance again. [}:)]

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt kind of guy

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Is America a geographical place? A flag? A language? Is it dirt and cloth, a sound upon the wind?

Some have been so bold as to say "America is a set of principals and ideals." " No matter where you are, in place or time, no matter what color your skin, or your language... As long as you aspire and hold to those principals and ideals, You are an American."

 - William The Artist 2007

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt kind of guy

In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
- Theodore Roosevelt 1907

What a racist.

You're showing your ignorance again. [}:)]

I am showing my ignorance? How dense must a person be to believe that I was being serious with that post. If you have been paying even the remotest attention regarding all these threads about 1804, there are a few on this forum who believe that any effort to restrict illegal aliens' free and limitless access to our country is a racist. Plainly, Teddy's quote would fall into the "racist" category, wouldn't you agree Michael C?