Is Tulsa the "Austin" of Oklahoma?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Something to keep in perspective when comparing Tulsa to any of those cities, is Tulsa is a youngster comparitively.

There are some cultural and geographical similarities between Tulsa and Austin.

However, Austin has much more going for it:

Austin is:

1)  The State Capital of a prosperous state, since 1836.  Benefits as does OKC from state government offices, associated law offices, lobbyist offices and the offices of other associated Tax Vampires and Connected Cronies.

2)  Located in the near geographic center of one of the nation's most populous states, and intersected by multiple FREE interstate highways.  A natural location for warehousing and transportion of goods across the state and the nation.

Tulsa has no free interstate highways leading anywhere.  None.  How CURIOUS?

3). Located in a state with NO STATE INCOME TAX.

4). Located in a state with No State SALES tax on Groceries.

5)  Co-Located with a 50,000 person major state university adjacent to downtown.

6)  Sports a AAA baseball team, vs. a AA Texas League team in Tulsa.

There's really no comparison.

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SNAP....thanks Friendly Bear (not to be confused with FB)

[TheArtist]

Now now, lets not seriously suggest that a city being the capital and having a large established university will have any advantage over one that does not. Oklahoma is a perfect example of that. Take OU for instance and its expansion of cancer and diabetes research. It fairly and proportionally divided the funds between the OU OKC medical campus and the OU Tulsa medical campus.

Here is the expansion Tulsa is getting, just broke ground a while back actually. A 2 story  7.5 million dollar expansion of about 23,000 square feet. "its the highlighted area"



Here is the perfectly fair and proportional part that OKC is getting for their OU medical campus.  A 7 story 120 million dollar expansion of about 220,000 square feet.



No favoritism or bias. Its share and share alike.  [B)]

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Now now, lets not seriously suggest that a city being the capital and having a large established university will have any advantage over one that does not. Oklahoma is a perfect example of that. Take OU for instance and its expansion of cancer and diabetes research. It fairly and proportionally divided the funds between the OU OKC medical campus and the OU Tulsa medical campus.

Here is the expansion Tulsa is getting, just broke ground a while back actually. A 2 story  7.5 million dollar expansion of about 23,000 square feet. "its the highlighted area"



Here is the perfectly fair and proportional part that OKC is getting for their OU medical campus.  A 7 story 120 million dollar expansion of about 220,000 square feet.



No favoritism or bias. Its share and share alike.  [B)]

That's your best post ever, no joke! I totally agree, never any favoritism for OKC at all(sarcasm off). OKC would be a ghost town today if it hadn't become the capital by stealing it from Guthrie. The tradition of thievery is alive and well in OKC.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Something to keep in perspective when comparing Tulsa to any of those cities, is Tulsa is a youngster comparitively.

There are some cultural and geographical similarities between Tulsa and Austin.

However, Austin has much more going for it:

Austin is:

1)  The State Capital of a prosperous state, since 1836.  Benefits as does OKC from state government offices, associated law offices, lobbyist offices and the offices of other associated Tax Vampires and Connected Cronies.

2)  Located in the near geographic center of one of the nation's most populous states, and intersected by multiple FREE interstate highways.  A natural location for warehousing and transportion of goods across the state and the nation.

Tulsa has no free interstate highways leading anywhere.  None.  How CURIOUS?

3). Located in a state with NO STATE INCOME TAX.

4). Located in a state with No State SALES tax on Groceries.

5)  Co-Located with a 50,000 person major state university adjacent to downtown.

6)  Sports a AAA baseball team, vs. a AA Texas League team in Tulsa.

There's really no comparison.

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SNAP....thanks Friendly Bear (not to be confused with FB)

We won't confuse you with Axoaxoa either......heh...

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Now now, lets not seriously suggest that a city being the capital and having a large established university will have any advantage over one that does not. Oklahoma is a perfect example of that. Take OU for instance and its expansion of cancer and diabetes research. It fairly and proportionally divided the funds between the OU OKC medical campus and the OU Tulsa medical campus.

Here is the expansion Tulsa is getting, just broke ground a while back actually. A 2 story  7.5 million dollar expansion of about 23,000 square feet. "its the highlighted area"



Here is the perfectly fair and proportional part that OKC is getting for their OU medical campus.  A 7 story 120 million dollar expansion of about 220,000 square feet.



No favoritism or bias. Its share and share alike.  [B)]

Well, I'm going to be contrarian. OKC has not relied entirely on government money, it has invested in itself. It is a much larger city both geographically and population wise. Its media and its institutions serve the entire southern half of the state. The main connection between Dallas,Texas and the midwest runs right through OKC, I-35. they think big, they work big and they exploit their opportunities.

Contrast Tulsa. We are limited in growth potential and can't wait to kick out illegals. Our largest higher education institutions are Presbyterian and Evangelical private colleges.  Our media is largely unpopular and innefective outside of midtown. You have to pay a toll to enter and exit the city easily. We whine about OKC getting unfair advantage but can't come together to invest in ourselves preferring instead to fragment into boroughs. We are politically confrontational, industrially lazy, provincial, self absorbed and reactionary. But a good place to raise a family..(sarcasm).

Recently, I picked up a 1993 issue of US NEWS & World Report while cleaning the basement. A feature story was about how cities were changing their focus towards, you guessed it, Improving Infrastructure, Education, Crime and Establishing Ties to the Suburbs. Minneapolis was featured along with some southern cities. That's when OKC and a lot of other cities started to make changes. We didn't. We like to whine about the unfairness of it all but we need only look to ourselves.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Now now, lets not seriously suggest that a city being the capital and having a large established university will have any advantage over one that does not. Oklahoma is a perfect example of that. Take OU for instance and its expansion of cancer and diabetes research. It fairly and proportionally divided the funds between the OU OKC medical campus and the OU Tulsa medical campus.

Here is the expansion Tulsa is getting, just broke ground a while back actually. A 2 story  7.5 million dollar expansion of about 23,000 square feet. "its the highlighted area"



Here is the perfectly fair and proportional part that OKC is getting for their OU medical campus.  A 7 story 120 million dollar expansion of about 220,000 square feet.



No favoritism or bias. Its share and share alike.  [B)]

IN all fairness, the medical campus in OKC is much larger than ours and has been around much, much longer.  It used to be where all OU med students, doctors, nurses, etc. were trained.  Tulsa has always seemed like more of a satellite branch to me.

[MichaelC]

I've never seen OU-OKC, but that sounds right.

OU Tulsa is just getting started, and that medical building is one of many projects going on at that campus.

OU Tulsa might be a big deal in a few years.

[TheArtist]

See, in my opinion thats exactly why Tulsa should be getting the larger building. They owe us. We have been neglected and have decades, generations to make up for. It shouldnt be that we get less, we should be getting more in order to make up for all the years they "got" and we didn't.  

As for waterboys assertion that Tulsas largest higher ed institutions are religious or private. Thats because we werent allowed to have public higher ed graduate universities. Look at what we do have including TCC, OSU Tulsa and OU Tulsa. We pay for the majority of that. Look at the new buildings on the OSU and OU Tulsa campus they are mostly paid for by Tulsa tax payers (vision 2025) and Tulsa donors. (many of the buildings on the OSU Medical Campus in OKC, and the campus in Norman for that matter, have wealthy Tulsans names on them because they were paid for by Tulsa donors, not to mention generations of Tulsa tax payers. We werent allowed to have a public college here for so many years so there was no place to donate to.)  You would think that what is built now would try to rectify some of that disparity that happened all those years. Even, heaven forbid, thank us for what generous Tulsans gave them over the years and all the benefits they have gotten over that time as well.

In other words for ages we have paid state and federal taxes for the colleges, medical research, etc. in and near OKC. Now we are still paying for them AND on top of that if we want something for ourselves we tax ourselves more (vision 2025) and thank goodness donors from here help us out.

Who pays for TCC btw?