KU or OU

[Porky]

Most likely these two will be in the Big 12 Championship Game.

I for one think KU is a much better team than OU. And I can't wait for this game so I can see Mangino...Stomp his old boss Stoops.

[waterboy]

Its not all that likely. OU still has to get by Tech and O-state. We typically have trouble with Tech and the ags live only to destroy Sooner dreams, having none of their own.

I agree that KU has a real overachieving, working class team. They look good without any Heisman candidates and a coach that carries cheeseburgers in his back pockets. I heard the team had T-shirts printed that said, "Our Coach...Can Eat Your Coach!" But they play the weaker teams in the Big 12 other than K-State and Mizzou. And KU has both those teams left to play.

Three teams in the top ten? So much for a weak Big 12!

[MichaelC]

I like OSU's chances to beat Kansas this weekend.   It's not a must win, beating Baylor the next weekend would get OSU bowl-eligible.  But beating Kansas then Baylor makes for a meaningful Bedlam game, for OSU.

Forget Monkey wrenches, that would throw a full grown ape that swallowed a barrel full of wrenches into UK's works.

And I like the Jayhawks, glad they're putting it together.

[cannon_fodder]

Waterboy... K-State lost to Iowa State.  We all know Colorado is flaky, Nebraska is a paper tiger, Iowa State sucks (beat K-State and Iowa, lost to everyone else including D-IAA Northern Iowa [my alma mater]), K-State is not that good.  So the North has Mizzou that's any good and they got beat by the Sooners.

Kansas' best win is a one score victory over a struggling and unranked A&M team.  Which OU simply pounded into the ground.  Kansas has beaten exactly ZERO teams in the top 42 (BCS ranked teams).  And lets not forget their September schedule #77 Central Michigan, I-AA SE LA, #108 Toledo, and the worst team in D-IA # 119 Florida Int.  Throw in  the worst team in the Big 12 (Baylor) and a handful of average teams and you get an extremely weak schedule (average opponent rank #80).

I'm not on the Sooner Schooner (go TU!), but if the line opens up anything less than OU - 10 I'm all over that.  I'm not confident KU gets by Mizzou.  They are an overachieving team, but thus far while being consistent I do not think they have earned a #5 ranking.
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and PS.  This season has taught every AD in the nation to schedule the most puffballs you can to claw your way into a BCS game.  Ohio's State's big win is over #23 Penn State.  Undefeated with a puff ball schedule > a real schedule where you may get some losses.  No more OU-Miami or Texas-Ohio State, go out and schedule Toledo, Florida International, a D-IAA, and a directional Michigan.

and while we are at it.  Tulsa drops the game this weekend to Houston:  35-45.  I hope not, but that's what my betting clicker finger is telling me. If Tulsa wins and then pounds the crap out of Rice we will get ECU in the conference championship leaving us the Liberty Bowl or the GMAC bowl.  We lose, its probably the (Houston) Texas Bowl.

I'm just happy to be talking about which bowl.  []

[rwarn17588]

KU hasn't played anybody worth a toot. I can't see it beating OU or anyone else from the Big 12 South, unless its opponent commits A LOT of turnovers.

Keep int mind, KU could still lose against Missouri and OSU (at Stillwater), too, and lose its division.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Waterboy... K-State lost to Iowa State.  We all know Colorado is flaky, Nebraska is a paper tiger, Iowa State sucks (beat K-State and Iowa, lost to everyone else including D-IAA Northern Iowa [my alma mater]), K-State is not that good.  So the North has Mizzou that's any good and they got beat by the Sooners.

Kansas' best win is a one score victory over a struggling and unranked A&M team.  Which OU simply pounded into the ground.  Kansas has beaten exactly ZERO teams in the top 42 (BCS ranked teams).  And lets not forget their September schedule #77 Central Michigan, I-AA SE LA, #108 Toledo, and the worst team in D-IA # 119 Florida Int.  Throw in  the worst team in the Big 12 (Baylor) and a handful of average teams and you get an extremely weak schedule (average opponent rank #80).

I'm not on the Sooner Schooner (go TU!), but if the line opens up anything less than OU - 10 I'm all over that.  I'm not confident KU gets by Mizzou.  They are an overachieving team, but thus far while being consistent I do not think they have earned a #5 ranking.
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and PS.  This season has taught every AD in the nation to schedule the most puffballs you can to claw your way into a BCS game.  Ohio's State's big win is over #23 Penn State.  Undefeated with a puff ball schedule > a real schedule where you may get some losses.  No more OU-Miami or Texas-Ohio State, go out and schedule Toledo, Florida International, a D-IAA, and a directional Michigan.

and while we are at it.  Tulsa drops the game this weekend to Houston:  35-45.  I hope not, but that's what my betting clicker finger is telling me. If Tulsa wins and then pounds the crap out of Rice we will get ECU in the conference championship leaving us the Liberty Bowl or the GMAC bowl.  We lose, its probably the (Houston) Texas Bowl.

I'm just happy to be talking about which bowl.  []

I agree with you CF. I had lost track of K-State. Indeed they seem to have faltered. That makes the Big 12 North even weaker and Kansas will face its first hurdles with O-State and and a hot Missouri team. Big 12 is actually kind of fun this year.

BTW, I heard the OSU fans were pretty rude and unruly to the Texas fans. They threw trash at them, and even hit a cheerleader with a bottle. The band was drowned out by the aggie band and the Texas team left without singing the "eyes of Texas" for fear of trouble. Is this the new Gundy attitude we're seeing?

[cannon_fodder]

I hope not.  I like OSU (in spite of great and inexplicable hostility towards Tulsa - thanks for agreeing to play us once a decade in Basketball if not Football).  For some reason OSU is my boys favorite team (color orange and a mascot with guns?).  They seemed to be a vibrant and fast paced team with a bankroll and huge potential.

But now they seem more like Prima Donna's.  "Best offense in the country" if you dont count T Tech, Tulsa, Hawaii, Houston, Oregon, Louisville, and Missouri.  I'm happy they are getting an ice stadium renovation and they want to be in the national spotlight, but lets wait until you are until you jack up ticket prices.  The cheap seats to Texas were $85 each AND THEY DID NOT SELL OUT.

If you can't sell out vs. Texas then your pricing is clearly all screwed up.  Certainly has priced me out of an afternoon in Stillwater with my son, which is too bad because I bet it would be fun.

So basically, I hope this is not indicative of the Gundy era in Stillwater - moderate success at the mistreatment of fans and a cocky attitude.  But thus far it seems you are correct.   Luckily he's a man, he can take it.

[MichaelC]

Inexplicable?  Oh no sir.  OSU and TU are rivals.  Damn shame that the ole crazy loud mouth Keith Burnes shut down that series.

Part of me wishes OSU and TU would hurry up and start playing each other every year again.  Even though that means OSU has to automatically lose 1 out of every 3 times they play TU.

I'd say there's far more respect at OSU for TU, than most people believe.  I bet you'd find most OSU fans are ready to jump on that TU bandwagon anytime, except when they're playing OSU.

On sell outs, the stadium is actually shrinking by seats, a little bit, since the renovation.  They typically only sell out one or two games every other year.  It's not normal for them to have a sell-out.  And ticket prices were jacked way up over the last few years, can't say what will happen in the future.  That stadium is becoming a very hard place to play for visiting teams.  And once the end zone is done, there should be another cheaper tier to their ticket prices.

[kylieosu]

quote: BTW, I heard the OSU fans were pretty rude and unruly to the Texas fans. They threw trash at them, and even hit a cheerleader with a bottle. The band was drowned out by the aggie band and the Texas team left without singing the "eyes of Texas" for fear of trouble. Is this the new Gundy attitude we're seeing?

That surprises me, because I was at the game and in Stillwater all day on Saturday and I didn't see any of that...I saw the usual heckling at the game, but that's it. In fact, I heard from most of the Texas fans I encountered that they were having a great time and were appreciative of how gracious Pokes fans were being...but maybe I was just lucky enough not to see any of the negative incidents. As an OSU alum, I would really hope it's not true.

[MichaelC]

Well, you know, it was one of those crazy OU fans that can't stop obsessing on OSU, that brought it up in the first place.

It's probably quite untrue.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

Well, you know, it was one of those crazy OU fans that can't stop obsessing on OSU, that brought it up in the first place.

It's probably quite untrue.

I guess that would be me. True enough, crazy about OU and actually an alum. I used to enjoy OSU as well till Gundy and Tulsa aggie fans cured me of that. But the story came from a long time Texas fan, transplanted to Oklahoma, who has gone to all the Texas/OU and Texas/OSU games for many years without incident. She said there was a real difference from the past. She also said that Mack Brown had mentioned it in interviews after the game. Maybe she exaggerated or maybe this game was harder for the loyalists to swallow.

[MichaelC]

If it happened it happened.  Not going to defend it, or excuse it.  Texas and OU douchebags show up at the games all the time, can't outclass either one, certainly not by being a douchebag.

I'm an OSU alum, and I approve this message.

[Breadburner]

There could be a distration for The Pokes this week.....



http://newsok.com/article/3166174/1194443428

[MichaelC]

*shrug*

I doubt it'll be a distraction.  Happens relatively often, as any OU fan would know.  It's good that OU and OSU both got Probation back in the late 80's, they're at least a little responsible about getting people out now.  Though everyone's still taking second chance players.

Unlike the days of Switzer, where your QB's a cocaine dealer, and everyone seems to think that's cool as long as he can play.

[Breadburner]

Yes I'm sure OU actively recruits child rapist.....Gundy is in deep doo doo over this.....Hell Mack Brown didn't even want him.....