KU or OU

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Oops....Looks like no one cares.....

[deinstein]

I love all of these front-running Gooner fans talking down the Pokes.

I can't wait until 11/24.

[deinstein]

And the Texas ordeal did happen. Mack Brown commented on it and was pretty pissed. They had to wear helmets while the team sang 'Eyes of Texas' at the end of the game.

P.S. Missouri is my call for the conference champion.

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quote:Originally posted by deinstein

I love all of these front-running Gooner fans talking down the Pokes.

I can't wait until 11/24.

Sorry.....But your team is coach is making it's own headlines.......

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

P.S. Missouri is my call for the conference champion.

I gotta go Missouri too.

But you know, in the South, if Texas loses to Tech or A&M, which is possible:  OSU would control it's own destiny again.  OSU needs to beat Kansas and then lowly Baylor, just in case.

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What Happened.......?

[Neptune]

To OSU?  OSU got beat.

It's all good.  All real college football fans are pulling for Kansas to go undefeated.  Though, before the OSU game, I half expect Mizzou to knock off Kansas later this season.  Now, I'm not so sure.  Probably the biggest game in the BigXII this year, that's different.  And it'll be a good one, unless Mizzou fails to show up.  Kansas will be there, and will be 11-0 by that time.

Go Jayhawks.

[Neptune]

For OSU, this was supposed to be a very down season.  OSU was too young on the D-line, and with injuries they're entire depth at defense is about 13 players total.  They're running a skeleton crew over there.  If they beat Baylor, they make a bowl.  They weren't supposed to make a bowl game this year.

But man, in that Kansas game, it became obvious late that OSU has an ARMY of solid freshmen WR's.  Put that with their army of freshmen RB's, and their very young defense and o-line, OSU is pretty good, and they're going to get better.

It is good, when juniors and seniors who were starting last year, are on the bench because freshmen can outplay them.

[Conan71]

From what little I did see of the KU/OSU game last night, KU brought their "A" game and OSU's defense must have been AWOL.

I'm real interested to see what will happen against Mizzou.

Kansas is a team that could be real scary in the Big 12 championship game if OU's sputtering in the post season in recent years happens.

I also caught some of the OU game last night.

Sam Bradford is just plain impressive, he's an animal.  I'm picking him as a Heisman candidate next year.

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Kansas Basketball, ranked 4th, undefeated (I know only two games, but it's early)

Kansas Football, ranked 4th , undefeated

first time both KU basketball and football were undefeated in the same month.

And the last time KU football was 10-0 someone named James Naismith was the basketball coach in 1899.

If a football school (Florida) can with the title the same year in both sports, why not a basketball school?

Rock Chalk

[Neptune]

Bradford is impressive at home, and against teams like Baylor.  It's on the road that he suffers, like when OU beat lowly Iowa State 17-7, or when they lost to Colorado.  

I think they'll make it through the next two games, not sure.  Tech and OSU are not at their best right now defensively, OSU fields the more conventional defense of the two.  But it's pretty young, lacks depth.

But Bradford's a little bit of a pocket passer.  That's only good if you have a pocket.  And the O is designed to give Bradford the easy stuff, to keep Bradford out of trouble.  He makes mistakes if he has to think or improvise.  I'm sure Tech, OSU, and eventually Kansas or Mizzou, have all taken notice.  And I'd expect somebody to tee-off on him.

That's what happened to Hybl a few years ago.  Except Hybl was smarter, had a better arm, and was maybe a little less mobile.  The later in the season in got, the less likely OU was to win.  Teams figured out that Hybl was as about as much of a runner as FDR.

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quote:Originally posted by Neptune

Bradford is impressive at home, and against teams like Baylor.  It's on the road that he suffers, like when OU beat lowly Iowa State 17-7, or when they lost to Colorado.  

I think they'll make it through the next two games, not sure.  Tech and OSU are not at their best right now defensively, OSU fields the more conventional defense of the two.  But it's pretty young, lacks depth.

But Bradford's a little bit of a pocket passer.  That's only good if you have a pocket.  And the O is designed to give Bradford the easy stuff, to keep Bradford out of trouble.  He makes mistakes if he has to think or improvise.  I'm sure Tech, OSU, and eventually Kansas or Mizzou, have all taken notice.  And I'd expect somebody to tee-off on him.

That's what happened to Hybl a few years ago.  Except Hybl was smarter, had a better arm, and was maybe a little less mobile.  The later in the season in got, the less likely OU was to win.  Teams figured out that Hybl was as about as much of a runner as FDR.

It helps if you actually watch football games before you comment on the players......

[Conan71]

Bradford is learning and maturing.  I'm glad Stoops left him in as long as he did Saturday to get more experience (well and to try and help their BCS rankings as well).

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But Bradford's a little bit of a pocket passer. That's only good if you have a pocket. And the O is designed to give Bradford the easy stuff, to keep Bradford out of trouble. He makes mistakes if he has to think or improvise. I'm sure Tech, OSU, and eventually Kansas or Mizzou, have all taken notice. And I'd expect somebody to tee-off on him.

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In the end, you find very, very few quarterbacks who do well when the pocket is collapsing and they have to improvise.

I'd rather have a quarterback who does well in the pocket. Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and Tom Brady don't move much at all, yet they had long periods of success because they offensive scheme was fit around them. That's the key.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Bradford is learning and maturing.  I'm glad Stoops left him in as long as he did Saturday to get more experience (well and to try and help their BCS rankings as well).

That why the scheme is still more important than him: maturity.  It's hard to tell if he's good, or good enough, or what.  He's capable of throwing some fairly bad passes, but as long as it's high precision, it's working out for him.  

I think he's more mobile than Hybl, that guy had no legs, so that's not saying much.  It'll be interesting to see what happens to Bradford when he hits speed and a strong d-line.  He hasn't seen it much this year.