No Plan B?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

^^ I wisely invested it in the lottery, silly!

In that case I have some stock in a little company called "Blackwater" that you might be interested in taking off my hands. I hear it's going to do really well.

Blackwater?  Do they make balm?  I think I'll put the balm on...

[TheArtist]

The county will be doing the public river infrastructure part with the dams. The city the private part with the developers. One small overlap I can see is coordinating some type of bank stabalization in the area where the development may go. Some federal funds there could come in handy to make that part nicer than piling a bunch of rocks along the embankment. Something nice, clean and more permanent in that area would be a plus.

I am really interested in hearing what specifically the federal funds can be used for on the river and what they will likely be used for.

Plus I am still interested in how the city is going to come by the money to buy the cement plant property. No sense in sending out an RFP until the have that property in hand or at least a deal from the owners of that property to sell it at such and such a cost to whichever developer is chosen for the RFP.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The county will be doing the public river infrastructure part with the dams. The city the private part with the developers. One small overlap I can see is coordinating some type of bank stabalization in the area where the development may go. Some federal funds there could come in handy to make that part nicer than piling a bunch of rocks along the embankment. Something nice, clean and more permanent in that area would be a plus.

I am really interested in hearing what specifically the federal funds can be used for on the river and what they will likely be used for.

Plus I am still interested in how the city is going to come by the money to buy the cement plant property. No sense in sending out an RFP until the have that property in hand or at least a deal from the owners of that property to sell it at such and such a cost to whichever developer is chosen for the RFP.

I'm not certain on the legality or procedures of an RFP of that nature.  I'm used to working in a realm of gov't RFP's which are for mechanical system retrofits, or design-build work on government-owned and occupied property, not an M.U.D. like this which will have a private developer/manager and leased space.

I'd agree that the city should have some sort of agreement, but doesn't necessarily need to have the land already purchased prior to an RFP.  What if another developer came in and figured the price of the dirt was worth the reputed $50mm asking price and only required water/sewer/and street improvements to service the development.  I guess I'm still not convinced that HCA may be the best developer.  They aren't necessarily the best suitor, they sound more like the only one with some concept plans already drawn up.

Unless I've misunderstood something, the "value" increased by $20mm in the last year for the concrete plant from the Channels proposal to the river plan we voted on last month.  That price sounds more like a similar sized property on Rodeo Drive, not sandwiched between a couple of refineries on the Arkansas River and bordered by a housing project to the immediate west.  

I dunno, maybe that's not all "value", but part of the $50mm is for remediation work and stabilization which may be necessary.  Even if $20mm represents rehab work, $30mm sounds incredibly high considering what Jerry Gordon reputedly paid for the land at Riverwalk Crossing in Jenks.  Some better clarification from those in the know in gov't about that land acquisition cost would be nice.

I suppose that was another source of my frustration on the river plan: details like that ARE important to the people who ultimately pay for it- the tax payer.  I know my seemingly constant skepticism is annoying, but details like that matter to those with OCD. []

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

I'm fairly certain the federal money, which is almost a lock to come through at this point, will be restricted to work on the waterway.  So it will be available for bank stabilization, park restoration, and yes, low water dams, but not land acquisition for commercial development.

DING, DING, DING...Give the man a cigar!

To address another post:  Why the County involved is easy, the River Corridor is bigger than the City of Tulsa's jurisdiction and we stand a significantly better chance of getting federal or private help when we look at the big picture.  So, the County is the official sponsor with the Corps of Engineers (who any future federal funds will flow through) for implementation of the Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan projects.  

you better build those low water dams now that were PROMISED in the V2025 vote.  No more excuses and "well buts..."

I never promised to build 2 low water dams for $5.6 Million.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

I'm fairly certain the federal money, which is almost a lock to come through at this point, will be restricted to work on the waterway.  So it will be available for bank stabilization, park restoration, and yes, low water dams, but not land acquisition for commercial development.

DING, DING, DING...Give the man a cigar!

To address another post:  Why the County involved is easy, the River Corridor is bigger than the City of Tulsa's jurisdiction and we stand a significantly better chance of getting federal or private help when we look at the big picture.  So, the County is the official sponsor with the Corps of Engineers (who any future federal funds will flow through) for implementation of the Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan projects.  

you better build those low water dams now that were PROMISED in the V2025 vote.  No more excuses and "well buts..."

I never promised to build 2 low water dams for $5.6 Million.

How about for $55.6 million (and some overages if that is not sufficient)?

[MichaelC]

Now Vision 2025, someone, a blogger I think, told me that you personally were planning to build the dams, by yourself, out of acorns and the skulls of kittens.  You're telling me that ain't right?

Well then, prove it!   []

[YoungTulsan]

We have already mentioned in the past that 5.6 million could purchase a LOT of beavers.

[Chicken Little]

Sorry to "pile on" Vision 2025, but I think think if you bureacrats were at all creative, you'd have this "promise" fulfilled by now.  Rereading Bob Dick's editorial from Sept 30, I doubt that Inhofe's environmental money (ironic, huh?) will cover the work.

I suggest that you give back the $50 million (perhaps via a money order delivered by Dr. Sen. Coburn), and use the $5.6 million in V2025 seed money to buy millions of beavers.  To supplement their work, we could start dumping trash in the River.  That'd be free!

Problem solved.  "Promise" kept.  Stop overthinking this thing.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

We have already mentioned in the past that 5.6 million could purchase a LOT of beavers.

Dang it.  Now I remember reading that.  And I thought I was being witty.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

We have already mentioned in the past that 5.6 million could purchase a LOT of beavers.

Dang it.  Now I remember reading that.  And I thought I was being witty.

Thats pretty funny that you were typing your post while I posted mine

[Vision 2025]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

Now Vision 2025, someone, a blogger I think, told me that you personally were planning to build the dams, by yourself, out of acorns and the skulls of kittens.  You're telling me that ain't right?

Well then, prove it!   []

Those bloggers, I tell ya, they never get it right... I work more in the DUCT TAPE style!

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

Those bloggers, I tell ya, they never get it right... I work more in the DUCT TAPE style!

Well, at least consider kitten skulls.  

Recycle the world, that's my motto.

Besides, it would be very creepy, definitely a tourist attraction.

[Chicken Little]

"Money?  P-shaw!  All I need is about 100,000 Christmas Trees."

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Vision 2025

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

Now Vision 2025, someone, a blogger I think, told me that you personally were planning to build the dams, by yourself, out of acorns and the skulls of kittens.  You're telling me that ain't right?

Well then, prove it!   []

Those bloggers, I tell ya, they never get it right... I work more in the DUCT TAPE style!

No, no, no!  Used tires and barbed wire make the best low water dams.  They also provide a habitat for those endangered mosquitos.

[MichaelC]

Hey, we don't have "Burning of the Greens" anymore!

What a coincidence.  Ask, and ye shall receive.