St. Francis Hospital ER!

[FOTD]

Hopefully, everyone has a safe Thanksgiving Holiday.

But be careful if you must need an emergency. I don't know if this information has already taken effect. But St. Francis has terminated 20 or so ER doctors after failing to get them to agree to a new contract.

What this means from what I have heard is St. Francis will have to get some 3rd rate docs to fill the bill. Nothing new for this quacker....


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

[cannon_fodder]

I personally know the chief of staff at St. Francis and ask him over thanksgiving about this post, he would not go into details as any negotiations are a private matter of those doctors involved... but he said your assessment is not accurate.  

An ER must be staffed in the same manner a daycare is - a certain number of MDs and nurses for the anticipated patient load.  What's more, no matter who staffs it St. Francis is liable for accidents.  It would be insane to staff it with "3rd rate doctors" as the liability would likely put them out of business.

But nothing serves the public better than a good ole' fashion "everybody panic" warning.  So thanks.

[FOTD]

The doc I visited with mentioned the term 3rd rate in reference to supply and demand.

Does this "chief of staff" have integrity?

Nobody is trying to scare anyone here. The public needs to be aware of their health providers ways. I went over there last year and after waiting 3 hours, went elsewhere and got immediate attention.


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

The doc I visited with mentioned the term 3rd rate in reference to supply and demand.

Does this "chief of staff" have integrity?

Nobody is trying to scare anyone here. The public needs to be aware of their health providers ways. I went over there last year and after waiting 3 hours, went elsewhere and got immediate attention.


The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

you come on here posting some one-sided, second-hand story impuning the hospital and then have the ****ing audacity to insinuate that dr. frost is dishonest?

you're wrong and have no ****ing clue what you're talking about... why do you think you waited three hours and left without being seen? maybe, because things were less than ideal with the previous group of docs... if you think saint francis is going to anything other than bring in top-tier board certified er docs, you're wrong, dead wrong... and "fired"? nope, guess again.

but then again, maybe im completely clueless and you pegged it...

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

The doc I visited with mentioned the term 3rd rate in reference to supply and demand.

Does this "chief of staff" have integrity?

Nobody is trying to scare anyone here. The public needs to be aware of their health providers ways. I went over there last year and after waiting 3 hours, went elsewhere and got immediate attention.

I told you I know this man personally, I ate Thanksgiving dinner at his house.  He has worked as an MD for St. Francis for 20+ years and was re-appointed chief of staff (a rarity).  One does not ascend to such a position and work in a community for so many years lacking integrity.

Speaking of integrity...  how about posting unsubstantiated rumors on an internet message board and then insulting people with actual knowledge?  If that is your definition of integrity, then no.  My friend has none.

I would be happy to see any data you have.  He clearly has an incentive to spin things here, but has never done so in the past.  But as it stands, it is his word against yours.

[HoneySuckle]

Seriously though, if there is trouble at the Pink Palace's ER, would they tell you the TRUTH?  

Just curious.

[cannon_fodder]

if they failed to meet the federal and state regulated standards for an emergency room - a report would indicate such.

if they failed generally at the level of care, my friends that are PI attorneys would tell me.

if they were having severe staff problems such that it inhibited their performance, they would probably shut it down. An ER costs tons of money for non-profit hospitals and is required by law - but with a "hard ship" they can shut them down.  Not to mention the liabilities of running an ER without proper staff.

if this was a really real story, someone more reputable than AOX would be posting it here, talking about it on KRMG, or on TV somewhere.

ergo, unlikely that this inside scoop is worth a damn.  More likely that AOX owes money to St. Francis and they instituted a collections action.

[FOTD]

St. Francis is a wonderful institution for Tulsa. The way they treat their doctors seems penny wise pound foolish to me after visiting with many that have left there over the years.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

St. Francis is a wonderful institution for Tulsa. The way they treat their doctors seems penny wise pound foolish to me after visiting with many that have left there over the years.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

Funny post!

Some wild inaccuracies as usual FOTD.

First of all there are not 20 ER docs at St. Francis (there are 6).

Here's the real story.

Several of the St.Francis ER docs (who have been there for 20+ years) opened a system of minor emergency centers, called "The Med Center," several years ago.  They have been a huge success, and far less expensive than the major hospitals.   They now have several locations around town and the surrounding cities. These locations are inexpensive for patients, you are seen quickly, and you can pay cash or use your insurance with a minimal of "wallet biopsy."  They are very friendly and service oriented.

St. Francis administrative staff has been very upset about this for quite some time.  Stipulations were placed in the new contract designed to limit the ability of the ER physicians and their PAs to work at, and provide service through these centers.  I feel this was very stupid on St. Francis' part, but strategically it allows them to hire a new and less expensive staff of qualified young doctors.

The ER docs requested that the stipulations be removed from their contracts and the hospital declined.  It was not a termination, but a strategic business move by both parties.

St. Francis is a top notch trauma center, however they have put less emphasis on providing ancillary emergency care.  It is an excellent place to be if you are really badly injured, but if you are only missing a finger or two, or passing a kidney stone, be ready to wait 4 to 6 hours for care.

The nature of the beast.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

St. Francis is a wonderful institution for Tulsa. The way they treat their doctors seems penny wise pound foolish to me after visiting with many that have left there over the years.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

Funny post!

Some wild inaccuracies as usual FOTD.

First of all there are not 20 ER docs at St. Francis (there are 6).

Here's the real story.

Several of the St.Francis ER docs (who have been there for 20+ years) opened a system of minor emergency centers, called "The Med Center," several years ago.  They have been a huge success, and far less expensive than the major hospitals.   They now have several locations around town and the surrounding cities. These locations are inexpensive for patients, you are seen quickly, and you can pay cash or use your insurance with a minimal of "wallet biopsy."  They are very friendly and service oriented.

St. Francis administrative staff has been very upset about this for quite some time.  Stipulations were placed in the new contract designed to limit the ability of the ER physicians and their PAs to work at, and provide service through these centers.  I feel this was very stupid on St. Francis' part, but strategically it allows them to hire a new and less expensive staff of qualified young doctors.

The ER docs requested that the stipulations be removed from their contracts and the hospital declined.  It was not a termination, but a strategic business move by both parties.

St. Francis is a top notch trauma center, however they have put less emphasis on providing ancillary emergency care.  It is an excellent place to be if you are really badly injured, but if you are only missing a finger or two, or passing a kidney stone, be ready to wait 4 to 6 hours for care.

The nature of the beast.

wrong on so many counts...

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

St. Francis is a wonderful institution for Tulsa. The way they treat their doctors seems penny wise pound foolish to me after visiting with many that have left there over the years.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

Funny post!

Some wild inaccuracies as usual FOTD.

First of all there are not 20 ER docs at St. Francis (there are 6).

Here's the real story.

Several of the St.Francis ER docs (who have been there for 20+ years) opened a system of minor emergency centers, called "The Med Center," several years ago.  They have been a huge success, and far less expensive than the major hospitals.   They now have several locations around town and the surrounding cities. These locations are inexpensive for patients, you are seen quickly, and you can pay cash or use your insurance with a minimal of "wallet biopsy."  They are very friendly and service oriented.

St. Francis administrative staff has been very upset about this for quite some time.  Stipulations were placed in the new contract designed to limit the ability of the ER physicians and their PAs to work at, and provide service through these centers.  I feel this was very stupid on St. Francis' part, but strategically it allows them to hire a new and less expensive staff of qualified young doctors.

The ER docs requested that the stipulations be removed from their contracts and the hospital declined.  It was not a termination, but a strategic business move by both parties.

St. Francis is a top notch trauma center, however they have put less emphasis on providing ancillary emergency care.  It is an excellent place to be if you are really badly injured, but if you are only missing a finger or two, or passing a kidney stone, be ready to wait 4 to 6 hours for care.

The nature of the beast.

wrong on so many counts...

not really, go into a med center and ask where the doctor has previously worked. 9 out of 10 will say St Francis at some point.  Its true about waiting awhile at the Pink Palace's ER, but you must look at the reasons.  Miniorities use it has a doctors office, they cant turn anyone down for care, and alot of people come in for non emergency stuff.  For example, poison ivy, a headache, etc etc.  People with blood clots, chest pain, kidney stones, etc get priority.  

The quickest way to get into a room at any hospital is to complain of chest pain.  Having worked at a hospital while in college, I can assure you, you will be seen almost immediately.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

St. Francis is a wonderful institution for Tulsa. The way they treat their doctors seems penny wise pound foolish to me after visiting with many that have left there over the years.

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. ~Bertrand Russell

Funny post!

Some wild inaccuracies as usual FOTD.

First of all there are not 20 ER docs at St. Francis (there are 6).

Here's the real story.

Several of the St.Francis ER docs (who have been there for 20+ years) opened a system of minor emergency centers, called "The Med Center," several years ago.  They have been a huge success, and far less expensive than the major hospitals.   They now have several locations around town and the surrounding cities. These locations are inexpensive for patients, you are seen quickly, and you can pay cash or use your insurance with a minimal of "wallet biopsy."  They are very friendly and service oriented.

St. Francis administrative staff has been very upset about this for quite some time.  Stipulations were placed in the new contract designed to limit the ability of the ER physicians and their PAs to work at, and provide service through these centers.  I feel this was very stupid on St. Francis' part, but strategically it allows them to hire a new and less expensive staff of qualified young doctors.

The ER docs requested that the stipulations be removed from their contracts and the hospital declined.  It was not a termination, but a strategic business move by both parties.

St. Francis is a top notch trauma center, however they have put less emphasis on providing ancillary emergency care.  It is an excellent place to be if you are really badly injured, but if you are only missing a finger or two, or passing a kidney stone, be ready to wait 4 to 6 hours for care.

The nature of the beast.

wrong on so many counts...

not really, go into a med center and ask where the doctor has previously worked. 9 out of 10 will say St Francis at some point.  Its true about waiting awhile at the Pink Palace's ER, but you must look at the reasons.  Miniorities use it has a doctors office, they cant turn anyone down for care, and alot of people come in for non emergency stuff.  For example, poison ivy, a headache, etc etc.  People with blood clots, chest pain, kidney stones, etc get priority.  

The quickest way to get into a room at any hospital is to complain of chest pain.  Having worked at a hospital while in college, I can assure you, you will be seen almost immediately.

no ****?... spoonbill and FOTD have their facts muddled...

[tulsacyclist]

My wife and I had a pleasant visit to St Francis ER last night/this morning. We arrived around 1AM. She checked in while I parked, as she was giving insurance information to the lady in 'admitting' a nurse came out calling her name to head on to the back. This was about 10 minutes after arriving, if that. Of course when you get back in your room you wait a while but nothing terrible at all. The doctor, PA, and nurse all seemed pretty attentive and made sure she was doing ok and didn't need any more pain meds, etc. We were outta there by 3AM.

We were visiting because my wife was having some severe abdominal pains. Looks like it is gallbladder related. We'll find out something today as she has been schedule for an ultrasound at the imaging center.

So all that to say, I'm not sure pancakes you ladies are gritchin about. Our visit was pleasant and I was honestly surprised - other ER's we've been to were nowhere near St Francis in regards to timeliness, friendliness, knowledgeable staff, etc.

[FOTD]

Tulsa feels ER time crunch

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080126_238_A1_hHosp18031


"Bed availability is absolutely part of the problem, and that is true across Tulsa and the rest of the country," said Dr. Jeff Dixon, emergency department physician at Tulsa's Hillcrest Medical Center.

When the emergency department is unable to admit patients to the intensive care unit or other floors because beds there are filled, those patients end up "boarding" in the emergency room, officials said.

As a result, nobody is leaving the ER to move to an inpatient bed, so there is no room for others to be treated.

"The emergency department becomes a temporary intensive care unit," Boone said.

Doctors note Tulsa's lack of access to primary care and its high number of uninsured patients aggravate the situation.

Said Roemer, "If you're in a city that has less primary care access for lower socioeconomic groups, the only option is the ER."



BED AVAILABILITY?

Scandalous!

Why can't Tulsa world do better reporting?