Hats Off to Mazzios (Ken Selby)....!

[Rose]

Spoonbill,
Cancer?  Where did you hear that?  
Rose

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by safetyguy

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

We still have RibCrib!

Camille's is local too! Look how much it has expanded internationally!

internationally?  I was not aware of a camilles outside of the US.

They've been selling franchises outside the U.S. for a few years.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Yea I dont see how this is a good thing?  Now the Zios profits will go some place else. The idea is to keep local companies owned by local individuals.  The people who work for companies dont make a lot of money, its the people who own the company that make the money. Plus the money made in other stores that arent in the city, if a business is locally owned, also comes to Tulsa.
But its a shame they  arent a local company anymore, I really liked them. I definitely wont eat there now. I try to support the local businesses, as should everyone here if you care about the city and its economy.

Yes..I'm sure all the paints and brushes you use are made locally....Get a grip please...

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Yea I dont see how this is a good thing?  Now the Zios profits will go some place else. The idea is to keep local companies owned by local individuals.  The people who work for companies dont make a lot of money, its the people who own the company that make the money. Plus the money made in other stores that arent in the city, if a business is locally owned, also comes to Tulsa.
But its a shame they  arent a local company anymore, I really liked them. I definitely wont eat there now. I try to support the local businesses, as should everyone here if you care about the city and its economy.

Yes..I'm sure all the paints and brushes you use are made locally....Get a grip please...

Wow your "brilliant".

1. If they dont make something here, you obviously cant buy it from someone who makes it here.  If however they do, its a good product and service at a fair price... I say support the local guy.

2.  Its not always about what product is made here. A "widget" could be made in China, but if I have the option of buying that widget from a local seller versus a national one, and again, the service and price are about the same... I will try and buy from the local guy. And or I try to buy as close a local source as possible. Will choose the USA apple or product over the Brazilian one, the Oklahoma apple over the USA one, the Tulsa apple over the Oklahoma one.

3.  Havent you ever heard of "Anchor Paints"? http://www.anchorpaint.com/article.asp  How about "Spectrum"? http://www.spectrumpaint.com/ They are local manufacturers and distributors of paints. They are great local companies that I and many other local painters/artists use a lot. I also buy a lot of my art supplies from Zieglers, they are a great locally owned company. My family has used them for generations. They know me by name there, always ask about my parents and grandparents who were artists and bought supplies, sold their art and taught classes there for ages.

[Conan71]

Yeah, but does Anchor make gold paint? [}:)]

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by tjay88

Originally posted by TheArtist

I definitely wont eat there now. I try to support the local businesses, as should everyone here if you care about the city and its economy.

Um, so are they bussing in out of state workers as well?  If not, isn't your money helping locally by paying the salaries of those who work there (who presumably live locally)?  Isn't the business paying local taxes?  Aren't the workers paying local taxes?

I guess I don't get it, unless you just really want it all.  Including the probably 10% profit they make.  Never mind they probably just paid the former owners (local owners) 5 to 10 times that amount for the business.  Which they will probably invest locally.  I guess all of that is bad for our local economy.

The same amount of people will be working regardless of where we spend our money, but if the business is local the profits, not just the pay, stays local.

whose to say these profits are staying locally? whose to say they dont have family in another state or country and give their family all the earnings? Not each business is this perfect mom and pop store that has been open since the 60's and gives their kids and family all the profits.  (for example, like Yale Cleaners).  They have been family owned since the day they opened the doors, and I think its in the 3rd generation of family running it now.

You have all these local mexican, lebanese, and other great restaurants, but you cant sit there and tell me they take their profits and reinvest into their own establishment or the city.  Thats a dreamworld, and we are far from it.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by safetyguy

quote:Originally posted by spoonbill

We still have RibCrib!

Camille's is local too! Look how much it has expanded internationally!

internationally?  I was not aware of a camilles outside of the US.

They've been selling franchises outside the U.S. for a few years.

yeah, but how many of those actually started a store.  I can buy franchise rights but never start a store.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by tjay88

Originally posted by TheArtist

I definitely wont eat there now. I try to support the local businesses, as should everyone here if you care about the city and its economy.

Um, so are they bussing in out of state workers as well?  If not, isn't your money helping locally by paying the salaries of those who work there (who presumably live locally)?  Isn't the business paying local taxes?  Aren't the workers paying local taxes?

I guess I don't get it, unless you just really want it all.  Including the probably 10% profit they make.  Never mind they probably just paid the former owners (local owners) 5 to 10 times that amount for the business.  Which they will probably invest locally.  I guess all of that is bad for our local economy.

The same amount of people will be working regardless of where we spend our money, but if the business is local the profits, not just the pay, stays local.

whose to say these profits are staying locally? whose to say they dont have family in another state or country and give their family all the earnings? Not each business is this perfect mom and pop store that has been open since the 60's and gives their kids and family all the profits.  (for example, like Yale Cleaners).  They have been family owned since the day they opened the doors, and I think its in the 3rd generation of family running it now.

You have all these local mexican, lebanese, and other great restaurants, but you cant sit there and tell me they take their profits and reinvest into their own establishment or the city.  Thats a dreamworld, and we are far from it.

Selby's kids all live here in Tulsa.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by tjay88

Originally posted by TheArtist

I definitely wont eat there now. I try to support the local businesses, as should everyone here if you care about the city and its economy.

Um, so are they bussing in out of state workers as well?  If not, isn't your money helping locally by paying the salaries of those who work there (who presumably live locally)?  Isn't the business paying local taxes?  Aren't the workers paying local taxes?

I guess I don't get it, unless you just really want it all.  Including the probably 10% profit they make.  Never mind they probably just paid the former owners (local owners) 5 to 10 times that amount for the business.  Which they will probably invest locally.  I guess all of that is bad for our local economy.

The same amount of people will be working regardless of where we spend our money, but if the business is local the profits, not just the pay, stays local.

whose to say these profits are staying locally? whose to say they dont have family in another state or country and give their family all the earnings? Not each business is this perfect mom and pop store that has been open since the 60's and gives their kids and family all the profits.  (for example, like Yale Cleaners).  They have been family owned since the day they opened the doors, and I think its in the 3rd generation of family running it now.

You have all these local mexican, lebanese, and other great restaurants, but you cant sit there and tell me they take their profits and reinvest into their own establishment or the city.  Thats a dreamworld, and we are far from it.

I wouldnt expect the local owners of a company to "give" their kids and family all the profits. My parents never gave me any of their profits other than food on the table and a roof over my head. It was their money, they earned it not me. And that in itself is a good point. Those people buy houses, cars, shop, eat, etc locally with their profits. If we dont support the local people then they may end up working for a non locally owned company. A larger percentage of the money spent at a locally owned and run mexican restaruant stays in the local economy than stays in the economy if the owners are non local. Regardless of whether they have any family or not, THEY, the owners have a job and spend that money in the local economy along with what they pay their employees. And they more likely will buy their products, food, etc. locally.  I dont have any kids but I guarantee you I put more money into the local economy because I dont work for some out of town artist. I take the profits AND I employ people. I have run into several clients who had flown in some "fancy talking" artist from Dallas or even Italy, then after they saw my work compared to theirs and what they paid that out of town artist to boot, were kicking themselves for not going with the local guy in the first place. PLUS as my reputation and experience grew, I now get to earn money from clients from out of town and even in other states and countries and bring that back to Tulsa. Not a big deal in my case, but with lots of small companies doing it, it adds up. And who knows which one of those small companies will eventually expand and make it big to be the next big local company.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by Tualum0982

You have all these local mexican, lebanese, and other great restaurants, but you cant sit there and tell me they take their profits and reinvest into their own establishment or the city.  Thats a dreamworld, and we are far from it.

quote]Originally posted by Theartist

I wouldnt expect the local owners of a company to "give" their kids and family all the profits. My parents never gave me any of their profits other than food on the table and a roof over my head. It was their money, they earned it not me. And that in itself is a good point. Those people buy houses, cars, shop, eat, etc locally with their profits. If we dont support the local people then they may end up working for a non locally owned company. A larger percentage of the money spent at a locally owned and run mexican restaruant stays in the local economy than stays in the economy if the owners are non local. Regardless of whether they have any family or not, THEY, the owners have a job and spend that money in the local economy along with what they pay their employees. And they more likely will buy their products, food, etc. locally.  I dont have any kids but I guarantee you I put more money into the local economy because I dont work for some out of town artist. I take the profits AND I employ people. I have run into several clients who had flown in some "fancy talking" artist from Dallas or even Italy, then after they saw my work compared to theirs and what they paid that out of town artist to boot, were kicking themselves for not going with the local guy in the first place. PLUS as my reputation and experience grew, I now get to earn money from clients from out of town and even in other states and countries and bring that back to Tulsa. Not a big deal in my case, but with lots of small companies doing it, it adds up. And who knows which one of those small companies will eventually expand and make it big to be the next big local company.
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I see what you are saying, and I am not trying to sound like an attorney or politiction, but whose to say they spend their money locally?

Whose to say they dont go down to dallas to buy their cars, do their shopping, etc.  Or even KC for that matter, each is only 4hrs away.  I know whenever my parents go to buy a new car, they always go to dallas, because there is more competition and they can save several thousand dollars vs buying one locally in town.  Once again, I see what you mean by your post, but I think its a little naive to think that they spend all their money locally, because it just doesnt happen.

The difference between your family and their family is that your parents probably didnt come to the US to start a new life and leave family members behind.  There are several local mexican and lebanese restaurants that did just that.  They left their family behind to start a new life and help provide for their family back home.

and on a side note, after watching the clip from the news, its nice to finally put a face to all these names I see here on a regular basis.

[TheArtist]

^ Well good. Now imagine my face giving you a really mean look.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Well good. Now imagine my face giving you a really mean look.

I get chills just reading that comment, or maybe it has something to do with the fact thats is 28 degrees outside!  []