Why are Tulsans so Conservative?

[KingMutt]

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

Additionally, I am curious as to why so many conservative people engage in personal attacks on other posters (whether it be in the form of snide, condescending remarks, or outright attacks)?  I know liberal posters have done the same, but it seems much more common coming from posters who seem right of center.

I am sincere about these questions and am not judging or assigning a moral qualitative value to any one particular point of view. So, please, please do not give me the stock answer of "If you don't like it here, why don't you leave?"

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

Additionally, I am curious as to why so many conservative people engage in personal attacks on other posters (whether it be in the form of snide, condescending remarks, or outright attacks)?  I know liberal posters have done the same, but it seems much more common coming from posters who seem right of center.

I am sincere about these questions and am not judging or assigning a moral qualitative value to any one particular point of view. So, please, please do not give me the stock answer of "If you don't like it here, why don't you leave?"

compared to the rest of Oklahoma Tulsa is a liberal bastion.

Your equations for liberal urban areas do not apply here because Tulsa is not like other cities around the US.  Namely, we have our ghettos (typically liberal) firmly defined and controlled better.

[grahambino]

Personally, I wouldnt use the TW comments as any kind of benchmark. However, if you insist, i think your your question should read,

'Why are Tulsans so hateful & ignorant?'

Its a known ploy of mental midgets to employ attempted character assassination as a way to 'frame' an argument.  

another tactic commonly used is to try & narrow a complex issue (such as immigration, war on terror, torture, domestic surveillance or the drug war) down to a black / white issue, (youre either fer it or agin it) and if you happen to fall in the opposite camp, the first tactic is then employed.

[Wilbur]

I wouldn't call it being conservative, I would call it being right (as in correct)!

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I wouldn't call it being conservative, I would call it being right (as in correct)!

That pretty much summed it up right there.

Fantasy thinking combined with imagined certainty. A general lack of critical thinking skills. I wouldnt say its either conservative or liberal thing, it just happens that more people are conservative here.

[spoonbill]

I think tulsa is socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  It's the perfect place to live and raise a family, start a business, or retire and not worry about mad fluctuations in the economy.

I like Tulsa, just wanna kiss it!


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[jiminy]

Why shouldn't Tulsans be conservative?  Does every city have to be liberal?  Every rural area conservative?  My guess is that Tulsa doesn't have that much to offer liberals, so it stays fairly conservative.  There's no reason why conservatives can't have a city or two here and there [].  As for the personal attacks, I'd say it goes both ways, but you notice the conservatives more because you feel the attack, while you are basically cheerleading when it goes the other way.  Just a hunch.

[dayzella]

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

I very sincerely believe that this area of the country is as conservative as it is because the people who belong to the area sincerely believe someone still might at any moment take their land.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by dayzella

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

I very sincerely believe that this area of the country is as conservative as it is because the people who belong to the area sincerely believe someone still might at any moment take their land.

+1!

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by dayzella

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

I very sincerely believe that this area of the country is as conservative as it is because the people who belong to the area sincerely believe someone still might at any moment take their land.

Would that be a reference to Eminent Domain?

[tulsascoot]

I often find it to be difficult to talk to people about politics because I meet so many conservative thinkers who are so inflexible in their views that intelligent discourse is impossible. It's not that these people are not intelligent, nor are their conservative views bad or wrong. It's just that they are more "right" than I am and nothing will ever change that.

I also have 1 or 2 friends who are far right of center who I can discuss politics with and feel that we both learn from each other and possibly change points of view from time to time. I wish more people were like that. They realize that if I oppose their viewpoint does not mean I have something against them personally.

I can understand where Mutt is coming from. It's tough to be a critical thinker with an open minded philosophy in this town. It's even tougher when you are not christian, which I am not. Often christian (protestant) means conservative (republican) in this town.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by tulsascoot


I can understand where Mutt is coming from. It's tough to be a critical thinker with an open minded philosophy in this town. It's even tougher when you are not christian, which I am not. Often christian (protestant) means conservative (republican) in this town.

The thing about that is, it appears that the people to whom you are referring (and not at all the ones in this forum; though I may not always agree, I have come to see that their opinions are always well thought out) are often people who repeat what they've heard the likes of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or some ultra right- wing religious figure spout off about, and take it as fact. To their minds, the thinking has supposedly been done already, and there is apparently no need to examine it for themselves.

[dbacks fan]

JMO, and from what people in the southwest refer to Oklahoma as "Being under the buckle of the Bible Belt" A lot of people refer to Arizona as a "Conservative" state but in the ten years that I have been here I would say that it is more Moderate. (Probably the influx of people from California)

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt

Why are people in the Tulsa Metro Area so conservative? In all areas, politically, socially, philosophically, etc.  I know there are exceptions to the rule, and I don't mean to make blanket generalizations, but in the months I have been reading this forum and the comment section of the Tulsa World, there is no question in my mind that, as a whole, people here are extremely conservative.

Additionally, I am curious as to why so many conservative people engage in personal attacks on other posters (whether it be in the form of snide, condescending remarks, or outright attacks)?  I know liberal posters have done the same, but it seems much more common coming from posters who seem right of center.

I am sincere about these questions and am not judging or assigning a moral qualitative value to any one particular point of view. So, please, please do not give me the stock answer of "If you don't like it here, why don't you leave?"

I am curious where you live in Tulsa.  I find that the further south you live, the more conservative the city.  In midtown (real midtown, not 51st & Sheridan midtown), you generally find a mix of liberal and conservative.  The further north you go, the more liberal it is.  Still, you are correct that Tulsa & Oklahoma is much more conservative than the rest of the nation.  I believe it has to do with religion.

[Conan71]

Mutt, we are conservative because we are obsessed with and afraid of the big Italian guy with the hot girl friend who eats at Flemings.

No other reason.