Signs Gone WILD: Legal or NOT. YOU Decide

[ARGUS]

GET REAL! Fact of the matter: the coroplast signs are placed illegally. Their are ordinances on the books in regard to placement. It is about pride in our city. If we dont get our city code enforcment officers on the stick our city will begin to look like Joplin.
THE SIGNS SUCK.
PULL 'EM UP! THESE OUT OF TOWM COMPANIES ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING BUT A QUICK BUCK.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Using the words "selective enforcement" is a red herring.

WB, selective enforcement has ALWAYS been the rule of the land.  In past elections, City code enforcement pulls up only the signs of those political candidates they DON'T like and leave the others.

If law enforcement has a problem with enforcement of the LAW, shouldn't the law be REPEALED?  Naaaaaaaaah.  Definitely wouldn't want Rev. Fred Phelps to start putting up signs all over town, right?  

Or worse, a bunch of Cherokee windtalkers who insist on putting up SWASTIKAS on the public right-o'ways to celebrate their role in the Battle of the Bulge.  NOBODY's gonna tell you about THAT part of American history.

Instead of regular City employees, the City now uses inmates to pull signs.  Look for the white van marked "Security" towing a flatbed trailer.  There will be a bunch of skid-row types in the van, supervised by Wackenhut.  They apparently don't like their pictures taken.  So, easy with the cameras.  The Wackenhut guy WILL beat you into pulp.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi
In past elections, City code enforcement pulls up only the signs of those political candidates they DON'T like and leave the others.

That is simply not true. The work crews pick up all signs.

I have been to the fenced area where all signs rest in purgatory and it is filled with every candidates signs. Certain candidates or their supporters might complain with that, but is not true. I look every election year.

Opposing campaigns do take signs however. I know that our election season starts next week with council filings Monday through Wednesday. I urge all candidates to follow the sign rules and ask their strident volunteers to follow the rules as well.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael
That is simply not true. The work crews pick up all signs.

Thank you, RM, for the clarification.  However, it was a City code enforcement official who made that claim of selective enforcement. Of course, she said it in a half-joking way.  So, that was the impression I got.

As for the campaign season starting next Monday, ya think KOTV might do us all a favor by doing a story on the sign ordinance?  Naaaaaaaah.  We already saw you talking to Rick Wells for the gas leak story.

[RecycleMichael]

I have been on television a lot lately. I make the reporters and anchors look thin.

Paul, why don't you post the specific ordinances that campaigns must follow so all TulsaNow posters can be informed of the rules?

[tulsasignnazi]

3102.16 Excluded from Right-of-Way; Removal Authorized. No sign shall be permitted in the right-of-way of a street under any circumstances, except as provided in Section 3102.12.4. Any sign situated in the right-of-way of a public street is hereby declared a public nuisance endangering public safety, and may be removed by the code official or any police officer of the City of Tulsa.

In plain ENGLISH, no signs allowed where the GENERAL public can see them.

Also, City will mail a letter and a pamphlet to all political candidates, by next Friday.  But, I doubt any of them will actually obey the LAW.

The illegal campaign signs are already up.  Political candidates are SPECIAAAAAAAAL.  They ARE above the LAW.  [!][!][!][xx(]

[Breadburner]

I pull them and trash them all the time....

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

3102.16 Excluded from Right-of-Way; Removal Authorized. No sign shall be permitted in the right-of-way of a street under any circumstances, except as provided in Section 3102.12.4. Any sign situated in the right-of-way of a public street is hereby declared a public nuisance endangering public safety, and may be removed by the code official or any police officer of the City of Tulsa.

In plain ENGLISH, no signs allowed where the GENERAL public can see them.

Also, City will mail a letter and a pamphlet to all political candidates, by next Friday.  But, I doubt any of them will actually obey the LAW.

The illegal campaign signs are already up.  Political candidates are SPECIAAAAAAAAL.  They ARE above the LAW.  [!][!][!][xx(]

So what about all the bright *** LED signs at the casinos and Sonic?  Those signs are much more distracting then any "tree trimming" or "work from home" sign on the side of the road.  Most people have gotten accustomed to them and ignore them.  The Casino and Sonic signs are blinding at times especially in areas where there arent street lights.  I would much rather put up with a few street signs or "20% off going out of business" sign from COMPUSA vs those stupid LED signs.  Speaking of COMPUSA, does it make it legal if its a person standing on the side of the road holding up the sign for the public? like for instance, quiznos and the COMPUSA signs mentioned above??

[cannon_fodder]

quote:In plain ENGLISH, no signs allowed where the GENERAL public can see them.

Worst interpretation of the law I have ever seen.  In plain English, it means people can not place sign on the public right of way. The public right of way is the land set aside for general transportation use by the city.  It includes medians, sidewalks, and transportation easements (generally 5-10 feet off the curb.  Personally, leave the signs placed by people anywhere in THEIR OWN YARDS the hell alone).

It has nothing to do with WHO CAN SEE IT.  Public Right of Way DOES NOT refer to public line of sight.  You have some valid points, but then press the issue too far and it is clear you really do not understand the law.

People of Tulsa, feel free to place signs where the General public will see them, so long as it is not on a public right of way (basically medians, sidewalks, roads and at least 5 feet on either side).  Since the entire point of a sign is for it to be seen, it would be RETARDED to ban them from sight.  Among the least thought out legal interpretation ever.
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I was going to post about how annoying the Tulsa Tree Trimmers signs are all around midtown in the medians... but when you blatantly misstate the law it's hard to agree with you on anything.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The public right of way is the land set aside for general transportation use by the city.  It includes medians, sidewalks, and transportation easements (generally 5-10 feet off the curb.  Personally, leave the signs placed by people anywhere in THEIR OWN YARDS the hell alone).

Actually, the City generally bans signs in the space that is within 12 feet of the curb.  By Friday, all the candidates will get a letter and a pamphlet from the City administratively interpreting the law, and where the signs can be placed.

The way the City interprets the law, effectively it means no signs where the GENERAL public can see them.

TUAlum, if you don't like the law, start a movement to pressure City Council to REPEAL it.  You might have a legal cause of action based on the First Amendment.

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

Actually, the City generally bans signs in the space that is within 12 feet of the curb.  By Friday, all the candidates will get a letter and a pamphlet from the City administratively interpreting the law, and where the signs can be placed.

The way the City interprets the law, effectively it means no signs where the GENERAL public can see them.

TUAlum, if you don't like the law, start a movement to pressure City Council to REPEAL it.  You might have a legal cause of action based on the First Amendment.

Wow!  You're really missing it dude!  

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The public right of way is the land set aside for general transportation use by the city.  It includes medians, sidewalks, and transportation easements (generally 5-10 feet off the curb.  Personally, leave the signs placed by people anywhere in THEIR OWN YARDS the hell alone).

Actually, the City generally bans signs in the space that is within 12 feet of the curb.  By Friday, all the candidates will get a letter and a pamphlet from the City administratively interpreting the law, and where the signs can be placed.

The way the City interprets the law, effectively it means no signs where the GENERAL public can see them.

TUAlum, if you don't like the law, start a movement to pressure City Council to REPEAL it.  You might have a legal cause of action based on the First Amendment.

"..might have a first amendment case.."??!! Don't come onto someone's front yard and remove their sign. Even if you're with the sign nazi crew.  Trespass, Make My Day, Buckshot are all words that come to mind.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

"..might have a first amendment case.."??!! Don't come onto someone's front yard and remove their sign. Even if you're with the sign nazi crew.  Trespass, Make My Day, Buckshot are all words that come to mind.

Generally, no one will pull up signs in someone's yard, especially if they are on some out of the way street.  The ones on the major arterials are TOAST![]

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder
The public right of way is the land set aside for general transportation use by the city.  It includes medians, sidewalks, and transportation easements (generally 5-10 feet off the curb.  Personally, leave the signs placed by people anywhere in THEIR OWN YARDS the hell alone).

Actually, the City generally bans signs in the space that is within 12 feet of the curb.  By Friday, all the candidates will get a letter and a pamphlet from the City administratively interpreting the law, and where the signs can be placed.

The way the City interprets the law, effectively it means no signs where the GENERAL public can see them.

TUAlum, if you don't like the law, start a movement to pressure City Council to REPEAL it.  You might have a legal cause of action based on the First Amendment.

the signs that you are referring to don't bother me that much.  I personally think you would be better off volunteering your time at a homeless shelter or delivering meals on wheels.  It's a damn sign for God's sake.  It's not a stash of dirty drug needles, rotting feces, or human corpes' everywhere.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982
the signs that you are referring to don't bother me that much.  I personally think you would be better off volunteering your time at a homeless shelter or delivering meals on wheels.  It's a damn sign for God's sake.  It's not a stash of dirty drug needles, rotting feces, or human corpes' everywhere.

My point, EXACTLY.  Now, go tell it to City Council.  They need to get with it to review the ordinances to get rid of STUPID rules, UPDATE the Comprehensive Plan, and amend the ZONING code appropriately.

DEMAND City Council do their JOB, and NOT just blow through the $60,000 campaign slush fund and then sit around TWO years for the NEXT big elective office to come along.  [!][!][!]