101st and Memorial

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

"Planning Commission OK's shopping center at 101st and Memorial"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080220_1__TheTu41863

Do I see an unplanned resignation in my crystal ball?

no, but you see an obvious appeal of the decision.

and anyone who is interested in doing some fun fact checking will discover that the developer LIED when he said there was money in 4 to fix for 101st/memorial.  There is NO funding identified OR allocated to widen 101st.  Combine that with the other LIE that target wont buy/build on the property unless 101st is widened and you have a class A weasel.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


and anyone who is interested in doing some fun fact checking will discover that the developer LIED when he said there was money in 4 to fix for 101st/memorial.  There is NO funding identified OR allocated to widen 101st.  

Correct. Reference:
http://www.4tofix.info/propositions.php?pid=4

Although there is money for 101st & Yale and 101st & Garnett so if he just said "101st" he could be technically correct.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


and anyone who is interested in doing some fun fact checking will discover that the developer LIED when he said there was money in 4 to fix for 101st/memorial.  There is NO funding identified OR allocated to widen 101st.  

Correct. Reference:
http://www.4tofix.info/propositions.php?pid=4

Although there is money for 101st & Yale and 101st & Garnett so if he just said "101st" he could be technically correct.

he said 101st, between memorial and 84th.  so he is a liar.

and so that brings up the next question.  lets say they greedily go after 4 to fix money.  

How will residents feel that voted for that if they shift money from one project, to this one?  I think you'll see some people getting voted out of office.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


and anyone who is interested in doing some fun fact checking will discover that the developer LIED when he said there was money in 4 to fix for 101st/memorial.  There is NO funding identified OR allocated to widen 101st.  

Correct. Reference:
http://www.4tofix.info/propositions.php?pid=4

Although there is money for 101st & Yale and 101st & Garnett so if he just said "101st" he could be technically correct.

he said 101st, between memorial and 84th.  so he is a liar.

Yup.

And to verify he's not just partially wrong, I also checked incog, and CoT and nobody has any money allocated for it.

Incog has it on their wish list, but they have about every road on that same list.

[sgrizzle]

Another reference:
http://www.incog.org/transportation/congestionandtraffic/2007CMP.pdf

Check page 24, specifically states no funding identified.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


and anyone who is interested in doing some fun fact checking will discover that the developer LIED when he said there was money in 4 to fix for 101st/memorial.  There is NO funding identified OR allocated to widen 101st.  

Correct. Reference:
http://www.4tofix.info/propositions.php?pid=4

Although there is money for 101st & Yale and 101st & Garnett so if he just said "101st" he could be technically correct.

he said 101st, between memorial and 84th.  so he is a liar.

Yup.

And to verify he's not just partially wrong, I also checked incog, and CoT and nobody has any money allocated for it.

Incog has it on their wish list, but they have about every road on that same list.

well, if any of you were counting on one of those 4 to fix projects I would suggest contacting your county commissioner and tell them not to let lying scumbags try to subvert public will and reallocate money for VOTED ON projects.

[citizen72]

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

you've obviously never been to the one at 111th.

oh, and the country disagrees with you:

Analyst: Consumers prefer Wal-Mart to Target


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23277251/

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

you've obviously never been to the one at 111th.

oh, and the country disagrees with you:

Analyst: Consumers prefer Wal-Mart to Target


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23277251/

Inteller, you say you do not work for Walmart,  then you must be a member of the Walton Family to know sooooooooooo much about that corporation and have stuff like this at your fingertips so quickly.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

you've obviously never been to the one at 111th.

oh, and the country disagrees with you:

Analyst: Consumers prefer Wal-Mart to Target


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23277251/

I think the real problems is that US Americans, um, don't have maps.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.

[citizen72]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

you've obviously never been to the one at 111th.

oh, and the country disagrees with you:

Analyst: Consumers prefer Wal-Mart to Target


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23277251/

I appreciate and respect the opinions of others but we can't really be concerned about that. We just like what we like and we like Target. One thing is that we have found they (Target) have softened a little on their grocery prices which is nice.

As far as the Walmart at 111th we are no stranger to that store. Your point in reference to that location??

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by citizen72

If the Target does go in at 101st they will have this family for sure as customers. We like shopping there because of its classiness.

WalMart so many times looks like a rummage sale is underway.

you've obviously never been to the one at 111th.

oh, and the country disagrees with you:

Analyst: Consumers prefer Wal-Mart to Target


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23277251/

I appreciate and respect the opinions of others but we can't really be concerned about that. We just like what we like and we like Target. One thing is that we have found they (Target) have softened a little on their grocery prices which is nice.

As far as the Walmart at 111th we are no stranger to that store. Your point in reference to that location??

my point is they don't conduct "rummage sales" that you misconstrue.

an appeal to the target will be filed within the next 10 days.  if they wouldn't have made several lies about 101st being widened there probably would not have been an appeal.  but the TMAPC was falsely influenced by those lies.

[Ibanez]

Now that this is all but a done deal I wonder what will go in at the 121st & Memorial location where the Super Target was originally rumored to be located?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Now that this is all but a done deal I wonder what will go in at the 121st & Memorial location where the Super Target was originally rumored to be located?

you are right it is all BUT a done deal.  It is getting appealed....and unlike TMAPC, the city council isn't made up of a bunch of developers and related people.

another another factor that has nothing to do with Tulsa....Target is coming out with results next week and they are saying they will be weak.  If they are weak then target may pull back expansion plans and this might not happen at all.  If that happens I'm gonna go down to the site and pour a forty for bumgarner and his dead project.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Now that this is all but a done deal I wonder what will go in at the 121st & Memorial location where the Super Target was originally rumored to be located?

you are right it is all BUT a done deal.  It is getting appealed....and unlike TMAPC, the city council isn't made up of a bunch of developers and related people.

another another factor that has nothing to do with Tulsa....Target is coming out with results next week and they are saying they will be weak.  If they are weak then target may pull back expansion plans and this might not happen at all.  If that happens I'm gonna go down to the site and pour a forty for bumgarner and his dead project.

Don't get too excited....SOMETHING will be built there. Too prime a spot not to have something big on it.