Downtown Stadium Plan by May 30th

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by swake

The Schusterman owned property near 11th and Denver?

Hey, Off my cloud! Thats my guess! Get your own or sign on to the Waterboy dreamland list of non mainstream possibilities.

That area seems underutilized to me considering the access to 75, 51, Riverside, TCC and downtown. It isn't so close to perceived undesirable areas (except the QT), has a view of the river and the skyline, is close to a couple hotels and everything has pretty much been flattened already. You can get drunk on a Saturday night at the ball game and stagger over to the churches the next morning. []

I don't think the Schusterman's own the Homeland, but they do own land for a couple of blocks on the other side of Denver. And it is mostly surface lots.

[TheArtist]

How did you guys come up with the south part of downtown after stymied said "warmer" to the area around OSU and Brady Arts?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

How did you guys come up with the south part of downtown after stymied said "warmer" to the area around OSU and Brady Arts?

As for me, just not paying attention. Someone just spill the beans and be done with it.

[Renaissance]

There's no room for a stadium in the 11th and Denver area without some serious demolition and street closure.  

Not saying that forecloses that part of town, but somebody needs to show me on a map where a stadium could possibly fit.  And then someone needs to explain to me why the city would located the stadium in the farthest corner of downtown possible from the bars, restaurants and future rail link.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

How did you guys come up with the south part of downtown after stymied said "warmer" to the area around OSU and Brady Arts?

As for me, just not paying attention. Someone just spill the beans and be done with it.

Agreed.  This has gotten silly.  We shouldn't have to play treasure hunt here.  Somebody PM me and improve my day.

[RecycleMichael]

I drove all over the area between Brady arts and OSU-Tulsa and still south of the highway. I didn't find home plate, but there was a pitching mound.

It is a cool area. It connects the historic Greenwood with future sites of KOTV and the new arts museum. It is close walking distance to OSU-Tulsa and the Cain's Ballroom. There are already a dozen places to get a pre-game bite or an after game drink.

[TheArtist]

Hmmm, I am not sure I would like it in that area. That area has great potential to become a funky neighborhood and arts district. A large structure like a baseball stadium and I assume parking, unless OSU Tulsa is able to be used for parking, wouldnt quite fit. Starts to seem a bit "mass marketing" versus organic. Thats what I dont like about OKCs Bricktown and people are already pointing out that it is dying. Its artificial and faddish not..."real". Areas like Brookside and Cherry Street work precisely because they are not contrived spaces. The Brady Arts district has that potential too. I would rather it be a real neighborhood not an area of shiny new "attrations" for the suburbanites to frequent. The area where the Hartford Building is, for instance, is between Blue Dome and Greenwood, off to the side so to speak such that new development around a baseball stadium would act as a transition from the baseball stadium to the other "naturally grown" areas. A funky, hodge podge area that has evolved is better than a disneyesque, artificial, construction.

Dont specifically know where or if the baseball stadium would go if it were near the Brady Arts district so cant say too much, will just have to see.  Plus, do we really want that many straight people in the area? [8D]

[chlfan]

Would this be the area you're talking about or a little further west, N of OSU Tulsa and E of Horseshoe Hill?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist
Don't specifically know where or if the baseball stadium would go if it were near the Brady Arts district so cant say too much, will just have to see.  Plus, do we really want that many straight people in the area? [8D]

That's funny.

What makes you think baseball players aren't gay? You know, baseball players have a real fashion sense. Even the manager wears a form-fitting uniform.

Football coaches don't wear pads and helmets and basketball coaches don't wear shorts. But baseball coaches and managers wear it all, even the stirrup socks.

[dbacks fan]

quote:Originally posted by chlfan

Would this be the area you're talking about or a little further west, N of OSU Tulsa and E of Horseshoe Hill?

That was my second guess on the previous page.

[TheArtist]

The above would have been one of my guesses. But its supposedly still in the IDL, so thats not it either.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist
Don't specifically know where or if the baseball stadium would go if it were near the Brady Arts district so cant say too much, will just have to see.  Plus, do we really want that many straight people in the area? [8D]

That's funny.

What makes you think baseball players aren't gay? You know, baseball players have a real fashion sense. Even the manager wears a form-fitting uniform.

Football coaches don't wear pads and helmets and basketball coaches don't wear shorts. But baseball coaches and managers wear it all, even the stirrup socks.

Some very well may be lol. But I envision the type of crowd that goes to a baseball game as more middle America, ma and pa, apple pie, family with kids sort of thing.  Then in the Brady Arts district you have a more bohemian arts scene starting, the teens and young adults out at the Cains wanting to act silly, a few gay clubs, etc.... in other words lots of people who often get along but probably dont want to be hanging out in the same area as their folks and little sis and bro. Not the best example there lol, but it just seems like your putting 2 different types of groups or "scenes" together.  Urban, edgy, artsy and gay with squeaky clean, middle America, family fun.

Course what time are most games over with? Ma, pa and jr may be long gone before us sinners come sneaking out into the dusk lol. [8D]

[sgrizzle]

The fintube land has horrible road access and the homeland area has great access but not room to develop around it. You have highways on two sides and a substation on a third.

[JoeMommaBlake]

I'm still wondering what happened to the proposed site in the "east village."

I went to the TYPROS thing with Lamson and it seemed like this was the spot.

I still think it's the best spot. The rationale I heard that night from someone was that the stadium and the arena would "book-end" 5th street to allow for an established commercial corridor. I think that sounds great. . . plus the land it would be built on is arguably the ugliest part of downtown....so it wouldn't suck to bulldoze it.

[tulsa1603]

That former industrial site north of the IDL would be horrible IMHO.  I think most of Tulsa's problems lie in things being too spread out - just a little too far to walk from one thing to another.  That area would be great if redeveloped into residential or something, but not the stadium.  I think the best location would be from that original proposal in the east end....Close enough to walk to bars and restaurants before/after games.  The only other location that makes sense to me would be on top of where the Tulsa County Jail and homeless services places are...but I doubt THAT will happen.