Downtown Stadium Plan by May 30th

[RecycleMichael]

Last year the attendance was 296,017. That was down 35,000 from the year before. In fifteen years, they have only been below 300,000 twice.

There are around 70 games a year (not counting rainouts and playoffs).

[dbacks fan]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Last year the attendance was 296,017. That was down 35,000 from the year before. In fifteen years, they have only been below 300,000 twice.

There are around 70 games a year (not counting rainouts and playoffs).

Thanks RM. The reason I ask is that from the original article from the World at the begining of this thread was that they wanted a stadium that seats 6,000 with a grass area in the outfield for picnics and such, plus another 4,000 in luxury suites for Big 12 tournies and the bedlam series between OU and OSU. Going by an average of 300,000 per season for 70 games that makes for an average per game of about 4900 in attendance. JMO they should make the seating for 8000 plus the outfield or down the lines grass area and 2000 for luxury suites, and I think that may be an over estimate for luxury suites. The other thing that I think that they should and probably are looking at is other events that they can lease the facility for. That is why I think that the east end is the better location for the facility because it places it close to the Blue Dome District, has alot of parking opportunities and good freeway access, but with proper traffic control from TPD they can change traffic to suit the size of the crowd.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Based on all the vague descriptions and hints. I'm betting we're looking at this:

That'd be a pretty ugly entrance. Right next to the freeway. The entrance should be larger and have some type of gathering area.

That problem would be solved if we put the entrance in a nontraditional location like somewhere down the right field line or beyond the right field wall. Indianapolis has its main entrance in center field.

[bacjz00]

The Blue Dome is the closest thing we have to a REAL entertainment district in downtown...to me the Brady and Greenwood areas just haven't attracted the people spending money like Blue Dome has.  We need to tie this stadium in with Blue Dome IMO.  

It just seems like in all of this downtown revitalization talk, we're making it as hard on ourselves as possible by separating ALL of the major projects and attractions downtown as far apart as possible instead focusing all of our attention in one area.  

What is this strategy all about??? It's hard to really transform the image of our DT when you're not throwing all of your weight in one area, but instead just sprinkling stuff around 100 sqaure blocks.

[JoeMommaBlake]

How about where the permit office is now. Big parking lot right across the street. There's no need for the permit building after it moves, and the Blue Dome fun is right next door. Also, 244 access is very close, it's close to the trolley stop and if rail really happens, a rail stop can basically drop you off at the ballpark.

This theory, which is my only offering to this speculation, is perhaps still inferior to the 5th streetish "east village" location.

I have no facts other than that I've heard it mentioned once a while back as a possibility by a blue dome area business owner who may be in the know.

It is fun to speculate, I guess. It's almost as fun as my favorite game of speculation - casting the mythical A-team movie with today's actors.

Hannibal - George Clooney or Bruce Willis
Mr. T - 50 Cent
Murdock - Matt Lillard or Ryan Reynolds
Face - Josh Lucas or Owen Wilson

It turns out they're actually making the A-team...just looked it up. Bruce Willis, Woody Harrelson, and Ice Cube are rumored. John Singleton (who already ruined Shaft) is on to direct. I like my cast better....and I'm sure I'd be better at directing it than John Singleton.

[TheTed]

The location in the northeast corner of downtown is definitely inferior to the East Village. It's not walking distance (at least for Tulsans) to much other stuff. Tulsans won't walk from their jobs in the center of downtown. They won't walk from their to McNellie's and the rest of the Blue Dome.

[brunoflipper]

well, it is a done deal.... so just accept it.

[TheArtist]

Yes, an East End location would be ideal. But there must be some reason why they are considering a Brady Arts location.

[dsjeffries]

I really just can't make myself like a location that removes 50% of the access to OSU-Tulsa.  Don't we all want some kind of growth in (student) housing, funky shops and maybe some restaurants in the area between OSU-Tulsa and Brady/Blue Dome?  This ballpark location would sever another way in and out and would only serve to confuse the already confondu drivers?  How is there to be a link to the north if we close roads?  It's not just a road, either--there is a 6-lane highway that serves as another huge barrier, both physically and psychologically.

The location in the East End would also be located within a superblock, but A) it's one that has been such for decades, B) there is no direct highway underpass connecting to eastern neighborhoods that would (or has been) be severed, C) the existing street pattern would remain the same, D) the existing infrastructure surrounding the area could be re-used (which is what we want, isn't it?) for retail and restaurants instead of being torn down, E) it would put people within stone-throwing distance from the Pearl district and just across the highway from Centennial Park (where people could meet before a game and have a picnic, or go after and take a stroll around the lake) as well as serve as the downtown anchor for a 6th Street Redevelopment Plan, and F) it would create a bookend on the east side of downtown while connecting to East Village and Blue Dome districts, two areas ripe with existing businesses, within walking distance of the East End location.

I don't want to see any street closures as part of a ballpark deal.  Downtown has too few connections with surrounding neighborhoods as it is; it doesn't need to be cut off even further.  

There was a rumor pasted a few pages back that said something about KOTV being near home-plate.  Well, that would be fine with me, if it's the current location near the East End.  The building they're currently in could be razed (it's neither reusable nor desirable) to make way for a hotel or a collection of bars, shops and restaurants.

[bacjz00]

Why must we continue to make such horrible decisinos when it comes to this stuff?  Now we're going to have an Arena and a new baseball park that are NEITHER part of an actual development.  

Where will we put all of our hotels and restaurants and entertainments spots?  By the arena, by the baseball park, in the core business district or by the new museum? Well how about neither...how about we make downtown as completely disjointed and as spread out as possible to avoid any posssible hope of concentrated energy.

I hope to god SOMETHING other than a baseball park is announce for the Brady area that is more than just a damn parking garage.

[sgrizzle]

One benefit I could see is that this location could be done as part of a greenwood development since they were planning a hotel, retail, etc.

[AVERAGE JOE]

Everybody just needs to calm down.

The exact location has not been correctly identified on this thread. The drawing grizz posted is incorrect -- the John Hope Franklin Reconciliation Center is going in that location between Detroit and Elgin, north of Cameron. So everybody is getting all up in arms over misinformation. Take a deep breath.

The biggest advantage to the location that seems to be in play is that it would be connected to the Brady District AND the Blue Dome District AND Greenwood. Within 3-4 blocks you could walk to Caz's OR McNellie's OR Lola's OR Arnie's, etc, etc, etc.

Not only would it provide superior connections to BOTH major downtown entertainment districts, it would be out of the way on nights when there isn't a game. It wouldn't be in the middle of either district, it would be on the edge of both.

Parking would not be a problem. There are hundreds if not thousands of surface and on-street parking spaces within a 3-4 block walk. There would be room to create parking for handicapped patrons, staff, players, media, and VIPs on site. There would also be ample opportunity to create structured parking if that's necessary.

It would also have the advantage of being directly served by light rail (within one block) if and when that comes to fruition. The same stop could serve the ballpark and the Blue Dome District.

It would have a cozy, urban feel right out of the gate. Any associated developments would only add to the already existing urban feel, not create that feeling from scratch.

There would be specific quirks and possible amenities that would make this project unique among minor league ballparks. Most of those are tied directly to the site.

There's another major advantage to this site relating to acquisition costs. That's all I'll say about that.

So everybody -- relax. Put a smile on your face. This will be a good thing.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Everybody just needs to calm down.

The exact location has not been correctly identified on this thread. The drawing grizz posted is incorrect --

I said earlier in the thread I was an idiot and not to agree with me..

It sounds to me like you're talking about putting it in place of the building with the one stop permit center.

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Everybody just needs to calm down.

The exact location has not been correctly identified on this thread. The drawing grizz posted is incorrect --

I said earlier in the thread I was an idiot and not to agree with me..

It sounds to me like you're talking about putting it in place of the building with the one stop permit center.

You're the furthest thing from an idiot and it's not going on the site of the permit center.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Everybody just needs to calm down.

The exact location has not been correctly identified on this thread. The drawing grizz posted is incorrect --

I said earlier in the thread I was an idiot and not to agree with me..

It sounds to me like you're talking about putting it in place of the building with the one stop permit center.

You're the furthest thing from an idiot and it's not going on the site of the permit center.

Y'all are lowering my IQ with all of your "hints," very few of which agree with each other. I'm about to have an aneurysm just trying to decode it all.