Downtown Stadium Plan by May 30th

[fung shui]

Sorry Composer, but you need to be corrected. Chuck Lamson has not agreed to stay in Tulsa. He has agreed that Tulsa has until May 30 to meet certain defined deadlines such as a site, design and funding (passage of a 3% lodging tax) for a new stadium in Tulsa. After that he can say "Bye" with a clear conscious.

[sgrizzle]

A Skelly stadium (concept)
B Tulsa Project MLS stadium (concept)
C River District Jenks (concept)
D Global Development Group's East End (concept)
E Tulsa Landing (concept)
F Skelly Stadium (actual)

Here is a better picture of B

[Composer]

I dont think a correction like that is needed.  You know what I mean.  I meant I am glad to hear that they are considering Tulsa.

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

A Skelly stadium (concept)
B Tulsa Project MLS stadium (concept)
C River District Jenks (concept)
D Global Development Group's East End (concept)
E Tulsa Landing (concept)
F Skelly Stadium (actual)

Actually, both A and F are incorrect now.  The metal bleachers at Skelly have been torn down and after cleanup, they'll proceed with the rest of it.  They're replacing all the seats, repainting it, adding a brand new scoreboard, constructing a new press box with luxury suites, and building a large plaza to the west.  This isn't conceptual, it's happening as we speak [].

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

A Skelly stadium (concept)
B Tulsa Project MLS stadium (concept)
C River District Jenks (concept)
D Global Development Group's East End (concept)
E Tulsa Landing (concept)
F Skelly Stadium (actual)

Actually, both A and F are incorrect now.  The metal bleachers at Skelly have been torn down and after cleanup, they'll proceed with the rest of it.  They're replacing all the seats, repainting it, adding a brand new scoreboard, constructing a new press box with luxury suites, and building a large plaza to the west.  This isn't conceptual, it's happening as we speak [].

Nice catch, DScott.  Although I think sgrizzle was just trying to literally identify the pics.  Pic A is from the initial announcement last year of $18mil in renovations for Skelly Stadium and its new name:  Chapman Stadium.  Last I checked, the price of the renovations to be finished before fall '08 is up to $20mil - $24mil... not sure where I read that.  Even though there have been estimates of 30k capacity, the number of "fixed seats" has been quantified:  26,000.  Wonder if the new field is going to be grass or fieldturf?  

Pic F gives you a dramatic view of how much seating is being scrapped for the new super-duper pressbox/suites.  Hmmm.... so what game is Pic F from??? (says the guy with the not-so-hidden agenda who posted it).  []

[FOTD]

Lorton World reports this morning that John Q Hammonds built the baseball park in downtown Springfield. This was news to me. Sppringfield never had a downtown so to speak.

I got an idea. Let's let the Lorton's foot the bill on our downtown ballpark.

World Pub Park!

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

A Skelly stadium (concept)
B Tulsa Project MLS stadium (concept)
C River District Jenks (concept)
D Global Development Group's East End (concept)
E Tulsa Landing (concept)
F Skelly Stadium (actual)

Actually, both A and F are incorrect now.  The metal bleachers at Skelly have been torn down and after cleanup, they'll proceed with the rest of it.  They're replacing all the seats, repainting it, adding a brand new scoreboard, constructing a new press box with luxury suites, and building a large plaza to the west.  This isn't conceptual, it's happening as we speak [].

Nice catch, DScott.  Although I think sgrizzle was just trying to literally identify the pics.  Pic A is from the initial announcement last year of $18mil in renovations for Skelly Stadium and its new name:  Chapman Stadium.  Last I checked, the price of the renovations to be finished before fall '08 is up to $20mil - $24mil... not sure where I read that.  Even though there have been estimates of 30k capacity, the number of "fixed seats" has been quantified:  26,000.  Wonder if the new field is going to be grass or fieldturf?  

Pic F gives you a dramatic view of how much seating is being scrapped for the new super-duper pressbox/suites.  Hmmm.... so what game is Pic F from??? (says the guy with the not-so-hidden agenda who posted it).  []

Pic F is the model of a stadium that would have been built with a new sales tax as part of "The Tulsa Project"... the tax was rejected by voters in 1997...

[booWorld]

The Tulsa Project ?? .... ah, yes --- one of those long-dead issues.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by booWorld

The Tulsa Project ?? .... ah, yes --- one of those long-dead issues.

cute... the post was from yesterday, not 9 months ago...

[booWorld]

The Tulsa Project is about a decade old now.

Yet, it's included in an open topic on this forum.  It's good to remember issues from the not-so-distant past.  I remember yet another proposal for a stadium downtown drawn up way back in 1989.

Themes repeat over time.

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex
Nice catch, DScott.  Although I think sgrizzle was just trying to literally identify the pics.  Pic A is from the initial announcement last year of $18mil in renovations for Skelly Stadium and its new name:  Chapman Stadium.  Last I checked, the price of the renovations to be finished before fall '08 is up to $20mil - $24mil... not sure where I read that.  Even though there have been estimates of 30k capacity, the number of "fixed seats" has been quantified:  26,000.  Wonder if the new field is going to be grass or fieldturf?  

Pic F gives you a dramatic view of how much seating is being scrapped for the new super-duper pressbox/suites.  Hmmm.... so what game is Pic F from??? (says the guy with the not-so-hidden agenda who posted it).  []

Yeah I know, but I just had to point it out...[]

Have any of you driven past the stadium lately?? Quite the eye-opener.

I made sure to get my last nighttime downtown shots from there about a month before they started demolition.

[cannon_fodder]

Did someone say something about TU?  [}:)]

The renovations are well underway.  Adding to the new Case Center of 2006 will be the image pictured above.  It is more than just a concept or a proposal as SQ indicated above - it is an approved and funded design.  What's more, it is underway and will be completed in a matter of months (deadline Sept. 20th - do or die).

The last I heard the field is supposed to be the newest field turf (similar to what Bama has, so it even looks like it was mowed with directional colors and all that).  The capacity will be in excess of 30,000 but their will only be sold seating for 26,000.  It will have new box seating as well as new suites to compliment the case center does.

While many are not too happy about shrinking the stadium this much - it is what had to be done to get a top notch stadium at Tulsa.  Hopefully we sell that thing out so often they bowl in the South end zone, get rid of the dirt pile, and add complimenting arches (to match the rest).

Plans and live web cam:
http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/facilities/tuls-chapman-renovation.html

Also worth noting that the new entrance is starting to form.  Well worth a deviation to see all the work in progress if you have not been that way in a month or two.

[carltonplace]

Question, is the GDP deal completely dead? I didn't get that impression when I contacted them.

GDP announced (actualy Ruff scooped it right hear on TN) a plan to build a bb stadium in downtown, speculation ran rampant, Nordam quibbled and broke their contract with GDP and offered the site to the Wal*Mart developer, a new plan was announced, Wal*Mart backed out, the developer signed the contract option to the city, the city announces a plan to build a stadium.

If GDP is still viable wouldn't it make sense to get them back in the game? Are they just fly by night? What's the deal? I need an education.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by carltonplace

Question, is the GDP deal completely dead? I didn't get that impression when I contacted them.

GDP announced (actualy Ruff scooped it right hear on TN) a plan to build a bb stadium in downtown, speculation ran rampant, Nordam quibbled and broke their contract with GDP and offered the site to the Wal*Mart developer, a new plan was announced, Wal*Mart backed out, the developer signed the contract option to the city, the city announces a plan to build a stadium.

If GDP is still viable wouldn't it make sense to get them back in the game? Are they just fly by night? What's the deal? I need an education.

The real question is... Was GDP ever viable?  GDP itself has apparently never completed a project. Their website lists a number of projects their principals were involved with prior to forming GDP.  It also lists TWO, count them TWO "current" projects.  Tulsa's East End and the Howard Road project in DC.  Any guesses how far along the Howard Road project is?

[Renaissance]

Right - my understanding is that they were a group of principals who had gained development experience on other projects, most notably/successfully the Gallery Place project in D.C.  If I had to guess, I'd say that they substantially overestimated the amount of easy capital available for the East End project. Obviously they couldn't put the financing together in time.  Then the credit crunch hit and any hope of getting the project off the ground ended.  Of course, with the Fed lowering the funds rate, money just got a lot easier to find.  So, while Global is likely out of the picture, it's still within the realm of possibility that another developer could emerge and try to take advantage of suddenly looser credit.  After all, the Tulsa real estate market  never boomed like much of the rest of the nation, meaning that free-flowing capital could find its way here.