Super Tuesday

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

AOX, explain the spin to me?  I linked DIRECTLY to the hard statistical numbers and to a website with pretty charts.  I had no commentary and was clear to indicate extrapolation.

Are you having trouble distinguishing fact from fiction (spin)?

Spin is not synonymous with fiction.

"Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog's face, he gets mad at you, but when you take him for a car ride, he sticks his head out the window? "

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

AOX, explain the spin to me?  I linked DIRECTLY to the hard statistical numbers and to a website with pretty charts.  I had no commentary and was clear to indicate extrapolation.

Are you having trouble distinguishing fact from fiction (spin)?

Spin is not synonymous with fiction.

"Did you ever notice that when you blow in a dog's face, he gets mad at you, but when you take him for a car ride, he sticks his head out the window? "

Yeah CF!  Your truth-mongering is not welcome here!  How dare you try to influence us with the dirty truth!
TRUTHY!  FICTION HATER!

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Phantom

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="" face="" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cannon_fodder

48.42% of American households make more than $75,000 a year (2006).
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm
(pretty charts instead of real data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States)

Tulsa County averages just over $40,000 per hosuehold, suggesting that around 35% of the state makes more than $75K (assuming the ratio holds).
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=OK

The Senator's state of Illinois is close to the national average, so one would imagine 48% are above $75K.

So, if I understand this, and this is kind of what I am understanding and pleas correct me if I'm wrong, Obama wants to tax those of us in the top 48% to help the lower 48%. I guess then if that is true, then my wife and I need to get a divorce so we will both be in the lower 48% and the taxes won't eat her business alive.
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Now you understand how it works.

[RecycleMichael]

Back to the topic of Super Tuesday...

There has never been a more important primary vote in the history of our country. Both parties have narrowed the fields and the democrats and the republicans are beginning to fight among themselves.

The ones in front (Hillary Clinton and John McCain) want to stay low for a few days knowing that any mistake will be magnified by forums like this. The ones behind (Obama, Romney and Huckabee) are trying everything to get on the news shows.

This could be the last week of the primaries. The party nominees will probably be fairly settled after next Tuesday.

But five days is forever in this election.

The upcoming debates and weekend TV talk shows are a must see for any election groupie like me.

[cannon_fodder]

Aox, after re-rereading my post I really can't see what you are talking about.  When I am arguing for one side or another I freely admit I put the best spin I can on the data (while providing direct links TO the data).  In this instance I made no commentary at all except to slightly mock Wikipedia, date the data, and to explain an extrapolation.

If at all, I erred on the side of NOT spinning anything but fully explaining the data.

Please, to show me what standards I should live up to - post the data without putting a spin on it.  I'm really curious to know what I did.  Without correcting me, I can't improve.

[FOTD]

Let's not forget the massive plans for the Get Out The Vote campaigns in Cali now taking form!

The Republicans will settle on McCaintwin even though it's causing the conservarats within the party fits.

The Democrat fight will keep going. Unless Obama pulls the upset.

[dbacks fan]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Phantom

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="" face="" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cannon_fodder

48.42% of American households make more than $75,000 a year (2006).
http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm
(pretty charts instead of real data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States)

Tulsa County averages just over $40,000 per hosuehold, suggesting that around 35% of the state makes more than $75K (assuming the ratio holds).
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Unemployment/RDList2.asp?ST=OK

The Senator's state of Illinois is close to the national average, so one would imagine 48% are above $75K.

So, if I understand this, and this is kind of what I am understanding and pleas correct me if I'm wrong, Obama wants to tax those of us in the top 48% to help the lower 48%. I guess then if that is true, then my wife and I need to get a divorce so we will both be in the lower 48% and the taxes won't eat her business alive.

Now you understand how it works.
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Thanks guido, some times I have to write it out that way so that I'm clear on what I'm asking. Too many years in the technical field having to explain to people in laymens terms.


I agree the next few days will be interesting to see who has a melt down. By next Wednesday we will know who the candidates are, thats why I am watching intently now.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Back to the topic of Super Tuesday...

There has never been a more important primary vote in the history of our country. Both parties have narrowed the fields and the democrats and the republicans are beginning to fight among themselves.

The ones in front (Hillary Clinton and John McCain) want to stay low for a few days knowing that any mistake will be magnified by forums like this. The ones behind (Obama, Romney and Huckabee) are trying everything to get on the news shows.

This could be the last week of the primaries. The party nominees will probably be fairly settled after next Tuesday.

But five days is forever in this election.

The upcoming debates and weekend TV talk shows are a must see for any election groupie like me.

I'm a bit of a political junkie myself, but I had to turn my XM Radio off of the political channels this afternoon.  It's getting rough, and there is less and less substance.  The candidates are mad with trying to find dirt on each other.  If I were to listen to it all day, I would end up with road-rage on the drive home.

At least monitoring this forum offer's some levity from the extremes on both sides.[]

P.S. Jennifer & Ricky say hi!

[FOTD]

Looks like we've turned the page thank goodness.

The Democrats are the rock stars....
Clinton vs. Obama: A must-see!
Latest buzz in H'wood is, 'Can you get me a ticket?'
By Paul J. Gough
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i877e4787aa6b183a1da4ef7019b91b44

The Republicans just rock. No stars.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Let's not forget the massive plans for the Get Out The Vote campaigns in Cali now taking form!

The Republicans will settle on McCaintwin even though it's causing the conservarats within the party fits.

The Democrat fight will keep going. Unless Obama pulls the upset.

I predict just like New Hampshire, the Clintons will be bussing in voters, only this time from California's neighbor to the south.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Let's not forget the massive plans for the Get Out The Vote campaigns in Cali now taking form!

The Republicans will settle on McCaintwin even though it's causing the conservarats within the party fits.

The Democrat fight will keep going. Unless Obama pulls the upset.

I predict just like New Hampshire, the Clintons will be bussing in voters, only this time from California's neighbor to the south.

Now just a second a minute with New Hampshire. What about the Kucinich recount (even though he is out of the race).

[RecycleMichael]

What a good debate tonight between Obama and Hillary. Hillary did great tonight, I think in part, because of the format and stage. She is just so strong in a question and answer format and sitting down made her feel at ease.

Obama clearly wants to stand up and give a speech. The early parts tonight, he was kind of rocking and looking around the theater, speaking to the audience instead of the panel or the cameras.

This was the best performance by both of the candidates I have seen. Obama really impressed me with his wit and he just delivers great lines. Hillary has such a grasp on the issues and truly has the history of trying to lead.

I am still undecided. I am leaning toward Obama because it would be great to have his coattails helping democrats across America. Having him on the ballot would mean more democrats win in places like Oklahoma. I will probably change my mind tomorrow because I think having a woman president will help change the dynamic in every workplave in America.

Either of these two will wipe the floor in a debate with Romney or McCain.

[pmcalk]

I agree, RM--great debate, one that actually focused on the issues, and (with minor exceptions) very little about the horserace.  You could tell that the media was annoyed--they wanted fireworks.

Clinton usually does come across as having a better grasp of all the facts, but I think Obama held his own this debate, more so than others.  

I tried to watch a bit of the republican debate last night.  I couldn't imagine four years of any of those guys.

[dbacks fan]

I thought tonights debate was very good. We finally got a chance to hear some actual plans and ideas that mean something. I found it interesting that while not exactly in lockstep with each other, they are only about a half to three quarters of a step apart from each other. The last question from Blitzer I found interesting about wether or not either one of them would be the others VP for the democratic ticket. I actually wish that I could read lips to know what they said to each other after the debate. I also think that Edwards has not thrown his support behind either one trying to work out a deal to be VP.

As for Romney and McCain, I think that that's going to be a gloves off, knock down, drag out with a lot of finger pointing as to who said what. I think that they could be their own worst enemy in the overall picture but we will have to wait and see. I look forward to their debate to see what happens.

[Gaspar]

They really toned down in the debate last night.  I was prepared to change the channel, but they were actually civil and talked about issues.  It was almost a snoozer.  

Unfortunately, they did not talk about how they would do anything.  I heard a lot of proposals, but no methodology.  It made me feel like they were just casting in the direction that the Wolf pointed, with no clear plans.  This is what irritates me most.

I don't want to hear about what they want to do.  I want to understand how you are going to accomplish it.  Then I will assign my Bull $hit factor to it.  The person with the lowest Bull $hit factor will win my vote.  Obama and both Clintons are wonderful speakers.  I respect Hillary's ability to react to questions too, but she has said nothing meaningful.  

Obama is simply telling people what they want to hear without any understanding of what he's saying.  He lost all of my respect last night.  He has no understanding of what he wants to do. . .But the people will love him!  That's just sad.

When the real debate with the Republican candidate comes around, Hillary or Obama will be forced to develop some clear methodology that they can defend.  That's going to be tough for them.  Both of their platforms require significant increases in government revenue and/or efficiency, and they are only proposing tax increases as funding sources.

On the Rebub side, Romney has done it a million times in both business and government.  McCain has done it in government for something like 100 years, against amazing odds, and even across party lines.  While I don't agree with everything in their platforms, they have been very clear about how they intend to accomplish their goals for the country.  They provide clear economic explanations that make sense.  This is going pose a big problem for the Dem in the debate.  All that hope & promise with no idea how to accomplish it.  

I may be wrong.  Perhaps I'm the only person that seeks this kind of information?

If only their was a libertarian candidate that wasn't a NUTBAG!