Super Tuesday

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

I'm pretty certain Huckabee has no fans here on this board but I did attend the Huckabee campaign stop out at the airport today. There was a great turnout there, packed house with young and old alike. Good times.

Onward Christian Socialists marching on for the war . . .

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

I'm pretty certain Huckabee has no fans here on this board but I did attend the Huckabee campaign stop out at the airport today. There was a great turnout there, packed house with young and old alike. Good times.

Did he apologize for threatening to dam up the Illinois River from entering Oklahoma?

As Governor of Arkansas, he was certainly no friend of Oklahoma.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

I'm pretty certain Huckabee has no fans here on this board but I did attend the Huckabee campaign stop out at the airport today. There was a great turnout there, packed house with young and old alike. Good times.

I like Huck.  He's not viable, but I like him.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm leaving in 5 minutes to go see the Huck-meister.  Not my horse, but I'd like to hear what he has to say.  He has a good shot on a VP ticket I think.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'm leaving in 5 minutes to go see the Huck-meister.  Not my horse, but I'd like to hear what he has to say.  He has a good shot on a VP ticket I think.

Some day I dream of a Fair Tax, but probably won't happen in my lifetime!

[tulsacyclist]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

I'm pretty certain Huckabee has no fans here on this board but I did attend the Huckabee campaign stop out at the airport today. There was a great turnout there, packed house with young and old alike. Good times.

Did he apologize for threatening to dam up the Illinois River from entering Oklahoma?

As Governor of Arkansas, he was certainly no friend of Oklahoma.

No, he didn't.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I voted today.

I made up my mind driving to work and instead drove straight over to the election board and cast my ballot before I changed it again.

I voted for Hillary. I did it for my daughter.

My kids are the same age as Obama's kids and I really liked both candidates, but knew I had to choose one. I will vote for whichever is on the ballot in Novemeber and try to use this forum to persuade others to join me.

I watched the debate last night and have watched about ten of the debates so far this year. I was pleased that both democrats assured me that they believed in my similar values and also spoke well of my top choice John Edwards.

But I voted for Hillary for my daughter. My daughter turns six next week and I want her to have every opportunity that my son has in life. Face it, women are not treated equal in America and having a woman president will change the dynamic in almost every workplace in this great country. When we break this glass ceiling, we will finally have put a person's sex as a condition of leadership behind us.

I know I could say the same thing about Obama and race, but more than half of the people in this country are women and I think it is time we gave them the respect they deserve.

Once we elect the first woman president, we can elect the next woman president. I want my daughter to know that she has a chance to get in that line, should she choose.

Guess we are going to cancel eachother out, RM.[]  Like you, I will support whomever wins, but I wanted to share why ultimately I will be voting for Obama.  As you know, I have young children, too, and my vote will be because of them.  I want them to grow up in a different United States.

As a post-baby boomer, my only memories of politicians have been mired in scandal--watergate, iran-contra, white water--the list goes on and on.  People my age naturally assume that every politician is corrupt.  I am sure that Obama is not a saint, but he elevates the debate to a more civil level.  He "appeals to the better angels of our nature" and provides us with a sense that we can do better.  His speeches are less about himself (something that always bugged me about Edwards), and more about us and what we can achieve.  In that way, he truly is the JFK of this generation.

I want my children to grow up with the idea that it is ok to disagree, to discuss issues, without attacking a person.  I want to move beyond the belief that liberals or conservatives are evil, and to recognize that we all have views to share.  I want our country to at long last move beyond the Rush Limbaughs and Anne Coulters.  I want my children to believe that serving a political office is a worthwhile pursuit, not simply an opportunity to destroy another's character.  

I am voting for more than Obama--I am voting for what I want our country to be--and against what I have grown so tired of.  I don't think that Clinton's faults are altogether her own, but she does remind us of scandals and bickering and government shut downs.  I am ready to move beyond that.  

While it would be nice to have a woman president, I am uncomfortable with the idea that the first woman president gets there with much help from her husband's coattails.  I want a woman who gets there totally on her own.  And while I would never vote for a candidate simply because they are a minority or a woman, I do believe that race relations in our country are much worse than relations between men and women.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Obama is simply telling people what they want to hear without any understanding of what he's saying.  He lost all of my respect last night.  He has no understanding of what he wants to do. . .But the people will love him!  That's just sad.

Whoa.  First off, ALL politicians say lots of things people want to hear... then they vote for them.  It's called democracy.

And to suppose that Harvard-grad Barack Obama doesn't understand what he's saying?  Wow, you are certainly the mind reader, eh?

You realize the Dems said the same thing about Reagan?

I voted for Reagan in 1984 because I believed him when he said he would reduce the federal deficit; hey, he told me "what I wanted to hear" so I voted for him...

Some of my favorite Ronald Reagan quotes:

"For decades, we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.

You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we are not bound by that same limitation?"
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"We have never interfered in the internal government of a country and have no intention of doing so, never have had any thought of that kind."
Ronald Reagan, 1982
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"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."
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"History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap."
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"We now know that inflation results from all that deficit spending."
- Ronald Reagan, February 5, 1981
While President, announcing a plan to curb inflation by eliminating the federal deficit within three years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26402-2004Jun8.html



Now, I'll vote for a tax-and-spend liberal over a spend-and-spend "conservative" any day of the week...

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk
As a post-baby boomer, my only memories of politicians have been mired in scandal--watergate, iran-contra, white water--the list goes on and on.  People my age naturally assume that every politician is corrupt.  

Your words make me sad. I don't feel this way, mainly because I have put an effort into trying to get to know elected officials on a personal basis. I go to campaign functions, town hall meetings, public meetings, and rallies sometimes just to understand the motivation of the politicians. I can name dozens of politicians who were elected to office and served the public honorably, without any scandal.

Maybe I am just looking locally and you are right about higher office. Maybe the deals it takes to be a congressmen or governor or president makes all of them untrustworthy.  Maybe I am just naive.

I hope you are wrong about all politicians and right about Obama. If it takes your vote in him to restore your confidence in all politicians, I would say that your vote is a wise one.

[tim huntzinger]

Hate the game, not the playa . . .

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by tulsacyclist

I'm pretty certain Huckabee has no fans here on this board but I did attend the Huckabee campaign stop out at the airport today. There was a great turnout there, packed house with young and old alike. Good times.

Did he apologize for threatening to dam up the Illinois River from entering Oklahoma?

As Governor of Arkansas, he was certainly no friend of Oklahoma.

No, he didn't.

According toi the World, it looks as though he scapegoated our attorney general. What a hillbilly that Huckster is.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk
As a post-baby boomer, my only memories of politicians have been mired in scandal--watergate, iran-contra, white water--the list goes on and on.  People my age naturally assume that every politician is corrupt.  

Your words make me sad. I don't feel this way, mainly because I have put an effort into trying to get to know elected officials on a personal basis. I go to campaign functions, town hall meetings, public meetings, and rallies sometimes just to understand the motivation of the politicians. I can name dozens of politicians who were elected to office and served the public honorably, without any scandal.

Maybe I am just looking locally and you are right about higher office. Maybe the deals it takes to be a congressmen or governor or president makes all of them untrustworthy.  Maybe I am just naive.

I hope you are wrong about all politicians and right about Obama. If it takes your vote in him to restore your confidence in all politicians, I would say that your vote is a wise one.

I think that local and national politics are totally different.  You cannot get to know presidential candidates on a personal basis, so they are much more at risk of character attacks.  

I think you also jumped to conclusions.  I never said I thought all politicians are corrupt. I was pointing out a very serious problem we have with citizens' attitudes.  You cannot deny that there is a general malaise toward our government these days.  People don't vote, don't care.  I tend to think that has something to do with thirty years of scandals.  Many of the scandals were unfounded, and most were media driven.  But the tit-for-tat you get between democrats and republicans, where it is easier to attack the person than to defend the idea, only fuels the problem.  My vote for Obama is because I do believe that many, many politicians choose that career to serve the common good.  I may disagree with their approach, but that doesn't mean they are evil or out to ruin my way of life.  To me, a vote for Obama is a recognition that we can never raise ourselves up simply by pulling others down.  It's a vote to move beyond the character assassinations, and the simplistic labeling of "vast right wing conspiracies" and "liberal elite."  We are all just people with different points of view, and its time we treated eachother with that respect.

I am not naive--I am sure that some will continue with character assassinations.  But I am hopeful that if the vast majority of americans stand up and vote for someone whose core position is enough already, perhaps the media, the political pundits, the spin doctors--all of those whose job it is to destroy politicians--will finally get the message.

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

My advice to republicans...don't vote for president. Your guy can't win and your choices are all flawed.

Send a message to the national party.

Better choices or we stay home.

Ron Paul is the only true conservative.  Vote for someone not backed by Special Interest groups or big money.  He has never taken a pay raise, never voted to raise taxes, voted against the war in Iraq.  HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

[FOTD]

"The economy is likely to weigh heavily on the minds of Super Tuesday voters as they head to the polls - more than half of Americans now think the economy is in a recession and they believe overwhelmingly that the worst is yet to come.

The poll found that Clinton and Obama both have the support of 41 percent of Democratic primary voters - a drastic change from early January, when Clinton led Obama by 15 percentage points. While Clinton's overall support has remained steady, Obama has made significant gains among men, particularly white men, and African Americans. White male voters are split nearly evenly between the two Democrats, and Obama holds an 12 percentage point advantage among men overall.

Obama has also seen his support among women rise by 11 percentage points, and he now trails Clinton by only 7 percentage points among that group. He trails Clinton narrowly among Democrats but leads her among independent voters by 13 percentage points. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/03/opinion/polls/main3783743.shtml

and down the stretch they come......

[HoneySuckle]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Now I am split and undecided.

I love the inspiration of Obama and believe the country would benefit from a complete Washington outsider. He is getting people to care about elections like no one I have ever seen. How great would it be to have record numbers of voters, all engaged, ready to change America? Obama on the ticket could positively impact democrats in every other race in the country, from state rep to county commissioners.

I also love the brilliance and knowledge of Hillary. She has such an incredible grasp of every issue. Her question and answer sessions are breathtaking. While I was disappointed that her husband couldn't keep his pants up, his approach fixed the economy and kept us out of war. Peace and prosperity...something we haven't had during Bush's presidency. If she put the same type of people in her cabinet that he did, she could bring this country back.

What to do...what to do...

I know how you feel.  Think I am going to vote for Hillary though.

Hubby and daughter are voting for Obama.

Son undecided.