1804 part 2

[FOTD]

Rep. Terrillbe is working up the newest version of this misery.

It goes like this. If you own property and there is an illegal caught doing work on that property, the state gets to step in and confiscate your property for being party to a criminal act.

Tulsa's sheriff is becoming rather notorious. Hope this doesn't divert his attention and resources from real crime.

[pmcalk]

Oh, good--some people need more reason to fear Hispanics being in their yard.

[Chicken Little]

Y'all stay clear of my yard.  I'm keeping a coffee can full of rocks on my porch just in case.

[Conan71]

Are you sure you are reading correctly?  Is this barroom talk or do you have an article from the timesonline.com you can post?

Source please?

If that is the case, I don't see a chance in hell of that being passed.  Not even wealthy Repugs who employ illegals would go for that one.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Are you sure you are reading correctly?  Is this barroom talk or do you have an article from the timesonline.com you can post?

Source please?

If that is the case, I don't see a chance in hell of that being passed.  Not even wealthy Repugs who employ illegals would go for that one.

I have my sources.....but will refuse to reveal them for their own privacy. But wait and see.....if I am wrong, I will admit it.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Rep. Terrillbe is working up the newest version of this misery.

It goes like this. If you own property and there is an illegal caught doing work on that property, the state gets to step in and confiscate your property for being party to a criminal act.

Tulsa's sheriff is becoming rather notorious. Hope this doesn't divert his attention and resources from real crime.

I think those that deliberately/knowingly higher illegals should have their assets and property confiscated as well as serve time behind bars and then when they get out lose any ability to own and or operate a business.

[FOTD]

OOOOPPPSSSS!!!!!!

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

I think those that deliberately/knowingly higher illegals should have their assets and property confiscated as well as serve time behind bars and then when they get out lose any ability to own and or operate a business.

You seem very angry about this.  I'm guessing this is true because of the stylized skull you use for your avatar and the fact that you have the word  "rage" in your handle.  

Please correct me if I'm wrong, though.  I don't want to mistake cold calculation for random unstoppable fury.

[cannon_fodder]

It would be interesting to see what the burden of proof is.  I've never once checked a contractors immigration status before letting him work.  I've never checked with my mechanic to see if he is legal.  This summer, a neighbor kid was pushing a mower and a gas can down the street and mowed my lawn for $15 - I failed to check his immigration status.

Seriously, has anyone here had a plumber show up and ask for his social security card (which would take a good 5 minutes to fake well enough to fool 95% of the population anyway)?  I never have.  

What about sub contractors?  If I hire a roofer and have him tender his SS card am I clear, or do I have to check the entire crew?  What if he needs a crane to get the work done, do I have to flag down the crane operator?  Recently I had BestBuy deliver a new dish washer, I did not ask for proof of citizenship.

If they don't have "proof" on them do I just deny them work or am I required to hold them at gunpoint until the cops come?  When the cops come, is that counted as "work" on my property for which I have to check their citizen status?  Hey, what about firemen?  I don't want no stinking Mexican firemen saving my property only so it can get confiscated.

The systems broken. Forcing people to question each other isn't going to fix it.

[Conan71]

If true, this would be the poorest Band-Aid our state could use to try and plug the gaping hole we call our southern border.

This could get into all sorts of areas.  Imagine a general contractor employing 15 different subs in specialty trades to build a 10,000 sq. ft building.  Let's say the project is completed and the company employed to do the final cleaning happens to have an illegal alien working for them, TCSD shows up or INS and locks down the new building before a stick of furniture gets moved in.

In this case, the property owner had nothing to do with, nor knowledge of the illegal working on his property, yet he gets property confiscated.  That's pretty jacked up.

Even if it got as far as his desk, I couldn't see Gov. Henry signing it, and I really don't see it as being easily enforceable.

[swake]

My favorite part of the "son of 1804" is Terrill wanting to "challenge" the 14th amendment to the constitution.

How exactly do you challenge the constitution?

Here's what the 14th Amendment states:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


He's an idiot of epic proportions that obviously failed his high school civics class.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by swake

My favorite part of the "son of 1804" is Terrill wanting to "challenge" the 14th amendment to the constitution.

How exactly do you challenge the constitution?

Here's what the 14th Amendment states:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


He's an idiot of epic proportions that obviously failed his high school civics class.

Even an idiot can see the wiggle room in the Constitution, which should be discussed. It's far from open/shut so please stop acting like it is.

The key phrase appears to be "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". So, does simple presence make you a 'citizen of this country"?

If so, it kind of makes passports meaningless and would allow anyone to decide their own citizenship by means of simple transportation.

There can also be made some reasonable argument that those born here are assumed to be from legal residents.

The "without due process of law" part also injects the possibility that the Constitution intended to allow legislative jurisdiction.


But, take the simpleton approach if you choose.

[cannon_fodder]

Wrinkle, what might be more compelling is the phrase:

quote:nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Note, it does not say "any citizen" or "person born here" or "them."  It says "any person."  The prior passage specifies "citizens of the United States" and thus we can tell that the author knew how to distinguish between citizens and everyone.  That is usually the basis for providing rights to non-citizens that are in the United States.

[guido911]

This subject was previously debated here:

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8147&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=14th%2Camendment%2Cjurisdiction

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Rep. Terrillbe is working up the newest version of this misery.

It goes like this. If you own property and there is an illegal caught doing work on that property, the state gets to step in and confiscate your property for being party to a criminal act.

Tulsa's sheriff is becoming rather notorious. Hope this doesn't divert his attention and resources from real crime.

I think those that deliberately/knowingly higher illegals should have their assets and property confiscated as well as serve time behind bars and then when they get out lose any ability to own and or operate a business.

why stop there?
make the punishment fit the crime.
lethal injection is our only solution.
dey took yer jawb!
derp dee doo.