Death Penalty for 9/11 Conspirators

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us


Turns out the FBI extracted confessions using painstakingly non-coercive techniques . . . after the CIA had already used coercive techniques.

Doesnt that seem a bit like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube?

Once they've capitulated under torture, they're not going to retract it with the prospect of more torture looming over their heads.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by we vs us


Turns out the FBI extracted confessions using painstakingly non-coercive techniques . . . after the CIA had already used coercive techniques.

Doesnt that seem a bit like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube?

Once they've capitulated under torture, they're not going to retract it with the prospect of more torture looming over their heads.

It does a little, doesn't it?  I can't speak to the intricacies of the law on this -- any lawyer hanging around, please comment! -- but it seems like whatever confession they got from KSM (and anyone else who was waterboarded) might be inadmissible . . . ?  

Other evidence, however, would still be admissible, I'm guessing.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021100572.html

Turns out the FBI extracted confessions using painstakingly non-coercive techniques . . . after the CIA had already used coercive techniques.

quote: The admissions made by the men -- who were given food whenever they were hungry as well as Starbucks coffee at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba -- played a key role in the government's decision to proceed with the prosecutions, military and law enforcement officials said.

FBI and military interrogators who began work with the suspects in late 2006 called themselves the "Clean Team" and set as their goal the collection of virtually the same information the CIA had obtained from five of the six through duress at secret prisons.

To ensure that the data would not be tainted by allegations of torture or illegal coercion, the FBI and military team won the suspects' trust over the past 16 months by using time-tested rapport-building techniques, the officials said.

Try as you might, you will NEVER get me to feel like these AQ murdering douchebags were mistreated in any way. I have the images of innocent victims leaping/falling to their deaths from the twin towers (God only knows what their thoughts were at the time KNOWING they were about to die) on live television permanently tattooed on my memory. Poor little KSM having water poured on his face means NOTHING to me--especially since it is a fact he gave up another terrorist attack. Take your bleeding heart crap to Berkeley or MSNBC. Better yet, be brave and take your position to the families of those who died on that day.

And you know thats not where they started...God only knows how many Men,Women and children died at the hands of these terrorist in other parts of the globe....

[rwarn17588]

It'd be pretty stupid to have "interrogated" these suspects in a way that's been deemed illegal by the Supreme Court and international treaty.

If you have the goods on the guy, why would you jeopardize your entire case like that?

A cautionary tale: Cops tortured a bunch of suspects in interrogation rooms in Chicago, and their death sentences were commuted by the governor because of this.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

It'd be pretty stupid to have "interrogated" these suspects in a way that's been deemed illegal by the Supreme Court and international treaty.

If you have the goods on the guy, why would you jeopardize your entire case like that?

Oh that's right, by all means when you are trying to obtain information about possible terror attacks that could result in thousands of people dying, interrogators should be thinking about Miranda and other procedural rights. It would be pretty stupid if a terror attack could have been prevented because interrogators were more concerned about constitutional rights of terrorists than protecting innocents.

[guido911]

And then there's this from a Supreme Court justice:

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1226195720080212?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Originally posted by
Oh that's right, by all means when you are trying to obtain information about possible terror attacks that could result in thousands of people dying, interrogators should be thinking about Miranda and other procedural rights. It would be pretty stupid if a terror attack could have been prevented because interrogators were more concerned about constitutional rights of terrorists than protecting innocents.

You have to understand that even the "bad guys" are humans.  Stepping on the rights of even ONE HUMAN is stepping on the rights of ALL HUMANS.  These rights don't derive from what George Bush refers to as a "God D*** Piece of Paper!"  These rights are inalienable endowed by OUR creator.  Weather you believe in GOD or ALLAH we were all created by THE SAME CREATOR and we ARE ALL GODS CREATION.  So to say that this ALLEGED "terrorist" does not deserve the same rights that you and I do is unjust and just plain out of touch with reality.  

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Originally posted by
Oh that's right, by all means when you are trying to obtain information about possible terror attacks that could result in thousands of people dying, interrogators should be thinking about Miranda and other procedural rights. It would be pretty stupid if a terror attack could have been prevented because interrogators were more concerned about constitutional rights of terrorists than protecting innocents.

You have to understand that even the "bad guys" are humans.  Stepping on the rights of even ONE HUMAN is stepping on the rights of ALL HUMANS.  These rights don't derive from what George Bush refers to as a "God D*** Piece of Paper!"  These rights are inalienable endowed by OUR creator.  Weather you believe in GOD or ALLAH we were all created by THE SAME CREATOR and we ARE ALL GODS CREATION.  So to say that this ALLEGED "terrorist" does not deserve the same rights that you and I do is unjust and just plain out of touch with reality.  

Lol...Your on the edge good work....

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Originally posted by
Oh that's right, by all means when you are trying to obtain information about possible terror attacks that could result in thousands of people dying, interrogators should be thinking about Miranda and other procedural rights. It would be pretty stupid if a terror attack could have been prevented because interrogators were more concerned about constitutional rights of terrorists than protecting innocents.

You have to understand that even the "bad guys" are humans.  Stepping on the rights of even ONE HUMAN is stepping on the rights of ALL HUMANS.  These rights don't derive from what George Bush refers to as a "God D*** Piece of Paper!"  These rights are inalienable endowed by OUR creator.  Weather you believe in GOD or ALLAH we were all created by THE SAME CREATOR and we ARE ALL GODS CREATION.  So to say that this ALLEGED "terrorist" does not deserve the same rights that you and I do is unjust and just plain out of touch with reality.  

Yes that is true, but you are confusing two different sets of "rights."  The military courts are still bound by what we consider the unalienable rights of man, but they are not bound by citizens' rights.  Americans recognize the rights of every human being as equal, this does not change in an American Military Court.

As American Citizens we are subject to specific, exceptions, limitations, and addition to the list of basic human rights.  These additional rights and limitations are designed to limit government's power over specific aspects of life as an american citizen that do not apply to those that are not subject to our laws, tax system, police, and/or judicial system.

There are two distinct groups that are rallying for the 911 conspirators to be tried under our domestic court system.  The first and largest group is the lay-people that don't understand the distinct differences between the two types of judiciary system, and the second group is the lawyers who want to set a president to expand control over governmental actions.

I think if you look at it a little closer, you will see that It would be unbelievably damaging to the United Stated and completely unfair to the conspirators to subject them to a domestic legal circus!

[FOTD]

It's "you're", BB.

This thread is a crock of jingoism.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

It's "you're", BB.

This thread is a crock of jingoism.

The Obssesion continues....Why don't you pretend like your a Conservetive and evolve.....

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

It's "you're", BB.

This thread is a crock of jingoism.

"Jingoism"? Looks like somebody got a dictionary for Christmas this year!!! Congratulations

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Originally posted by
Oh that's right, by all means when you are trying to obtain information about possible terror attacks that could result in thousands of people dying, interrogators should be thinking about Miranda and other procedural rights. It would be pretty stupid if a terror attack could have been prevented because interrogators were more concerned about constitutional rights of terrorists than protecting innocents.

You have to understand that even the "bad guys" are humans.  Stepping on the rights of even ONE HUMAN is stepping on the rights of ALL HUMANS.  These rights don't derive from what George Bush refers to as a "God D*** Piece of Paper!"  These rights are inalienable endowed by OUR creator.  Weather you believe in GOD or ALLAH we were all created by THE SAME CREATOR and we ARE ALL GODS CREATION.  So to say that this ALLEGED "terrorist" does not deserve the same rights that you and I do is unjust and just plain out of touch with reality.  

Jeez, get over yourself...

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Can I flip the switch....

Televise it, and I'm all for it.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Can I flip the switch....

Televise it, and I'm all for it.

I knew I liked you.....