have we overlooked our best republican candidate

[cyndezu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA

[guido911]

Nope.

[joiei]

double nope.

[altruismsuffers]

Hell no I haven't overlooked Dr. Paul.  He is still in it and if we can get enough A**holes to pull their heads out he would be president in a minute.  Too bad the media is owned and a lot of people still don't even know who he is.  That is going to change though http://breakthematrix.com/

[sgrizzle]

I can't seem to figure out if Ron Paul lost BEFORE he announced his candidacy or 5 minutes after. Either way, ice cubes in hell will be stacking up long before Ron Paul has a shot. And no, it's not the media, it's not uninformed voters, it's Ron Paul himself.

[waterboy]

Can you imagine Paul working with a congress composed of representatives with complex motives? How do you reach out to those who don't buy into simple solutions for complex problems? "Congressman, we're eliminating the income tax so that your local businessmen will now pave your roads, build your bridges, house your elderly and educate your kids. Go tell them the good news that their taxes will go down and they may all become rich." Only a messy revolution will accomplish such things.

Even though I am attracted to some of his thinking, especially non nation building, I agree with CF that for every good idea it seems he adds an impractical one.

I agree that the republican party has strayed from its Reagan era ideology but before Ronny and the conservative religious faction took over it was a party of pragmatic businessmen not idealogues. Bush wouldn't have been welcome in that tent.  

BTW, Nixon was not elected to end the VietNam war, he was elected to win it or say we did.  McGovern ran to end it. What a smarmy video.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

Hell no I haven't overlooked Dr. Paul.  He is still in it and if we can get enough A**holes to pull their heads out he would be president in a minute.  Too bad the media is owned and a lot of people still don't even know who he is.  That is going to change though http://breakthematrix.com/

You said a mouthfull there...Have you looked in the mirror lately....

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



I agree that the republican party has strayed from its Reagan era ideology but before Ronny and the conservative religious faction took over it was a party of pragmatic businessmen not idealogues. Bush wouldn't have been welcome in that tent.  

I've been thinking about this for awhile, and am slowly coming to believe that the current Republican party travails -- this whole breaking apart of the core consensus -- is the end of Reaganism.  At first I thought that it was just an ideological hiccup, that it was based on how Bush and cohorts drove the party in the 2000's.  But it's becoming more obvious, as the pendulum swings leftward, that the Republican themes that are duds are both Bush talking points and Reagan talking points.  

At the same time, all the things that the financial cons, the war cons, the libertarian cons, and the social cons have in common are disintegrating.  This is the stuff that Ronny succeeded so wildly at . . . keeping those four poles together and working seamlessly.  

And so I wonder if the Republicans have to reimagine their party entirely at this point, and not just cast back to Reagan to find the same inspiration again. Especially compared to Obama, who has been able to bundle a sense of youth with the idea of change, the Republicans seem to be running old men with no new compelling generation on the rise behind it.

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I can't seem to figure out if Ron Paul lost BEFORE he announced his candidacy or 5 minutes after. Either way, ice cubes in hell will be stacking up long before Ron Paul has a shot. And no, it's not the media, it's not uninformed voters, it's Ron Paul himself.

Oh yeah and "Bomb bomb bomb", "Stay in Iraq for a hundred years" McCain is a dream boat right?  

John.he.is  (Video)

And this guy is just not acceptable?:
Ron Paul: Going the distance

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I can't seem to figure out if Ron Paul lost BEFORE he announced his candidacy or 5 minutes after. Either way, ice cubes in hell will be stacking up long before Ron Paul has a shot. And no, it's not the media, it's not uninformed voters, it's Ron Paul himself.

Oh yeah and "Bomb bomb bomb", "Stay in Iraq for a hundred years" McCain is a dream boat right?  

John.he.is  (Video)

And this guy is just not acceptable?:
Ron Paul: Going the distance

I never said McCain was acceptable. But he has a shot.

[Conan71]

A lot of people are realizing Reagan's been out of office for almost 20 years.  The world is different and requires different solutions.  They are also realizing he was far more of a centrist and a very good consensus-builder.  Witness the results of the '84 election.  

I come from the stereotypical conservative, eastern U.S., Episcopalian, Republican family.  A lot of us have become disenchanted with the increased role of the far Christian right in the party and the corruption which followed the GOP in with their control of Congress.

Money corrupts.  Plenty of money is available to the party in power because they are the ones who can make favors happen in Washington.

There's no major overhaul, simply a shift in electorate sentiment.

I don't believe there is an implosion of the GOP any more than there is an implosion going on with Democrats.  "Re-tooling" "Re-inventing" etc. is just election year punditry.

[rwarn17588]

Yup.

The ones who constantly harp about "conversatism" forget that Reagan raised taxes, talked to our enemies (Russia), didn't go to church, and bailed out of a foreign country (Lebanon) when it got too hot and the loss of soldiers' lives was too intolerable.

And, yes, I was a Reagan supporter.

[rwarn17588]

Another thing ...

Anyone who thinks Ron Paul is the "best" Republican candidate had better put down the bong.

It's been abundantly clear from the primaries that Ron Paul is not electable in any way, shape or form on a national scale. He hasn't won a single state. He hasn't even come close to doing so.

And you know that he would get absolutely drilled in a general election, no matter who would run for the Democrats. I'm talking 70-30 or even 80-20 -- as bad as that butt-whoopin' Obama laid on Alan Keyes during his U.S. Senate race.

[Conan71]

The historical perspective on Reagan has become warped by people like Sean Hannity who keep saying "I'm a Reagan conservative!".  

McCain is a lot more like Reagan than the conservative pundits have allowed him credit for.  The problem with the GOP is they never seem to offer anyone with outstanding charisma like Kennedy, B. Clinton, or Obama.  Romney was the closest thing I've seen to charisma in a leading GOP candidate in a long time.

[Double A]

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