HD DVD Anyone?

[Wilbur]

CNET did a review recently ref Blu-Ray and looked at five models.  They still recommend the Play Station 3, since the machine is Blue-Ray, has the ability to upgrade to the eventual Blu-Ray 2.0 format, and comes with a free game console!

http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6463_7-6606636.html?tag=bubbl_3

[inteller]

plastic substrate media is sooo 2001.  if you aren't downloading you are behind the times.

Microsoft is teaming up with netflix to deliver their library via the 360.  That beats anything HDDVD or blu ray can deliver.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

plastic substrate media is sooo 2001.  if you aren't downloading you are behind the times.

Microsoft is teaming up with netflix to deliver their library via the 360.  That beats anything HDDVD or blu ray can deliver.

Color me old fashioned but for my favorite movies, I like having the actual movie. I like looking through them and picking out a seasonal favorite, seeing the familiar old cover, opening the case and loading the disk, etc.  If it were any ol movie, downloading would be fine, but not for my favorites. I want to own it and have it. Kind of like getting the hard cover Harry Potter books versus paper back. []  

Kind of reminds me of the thought that I think something has been lost in a world where you can see anything anytime on TV. Used to really look forward to seeing certain Christmas movies. People would schedule get togethers in order to watch it, cause if you missed it, you would have to wait till next year again to see it. "Its a Wonderful Life" was a special family event.  The Charlie Brown specials as well.  Saturday morning cartoons were the best. Would look forward all week to seeing them. Now cartoons are on all times of the day, every day. Being able to download any episode of any show at any time will even make them less special imo. I kinda feel sorry for kids these days. Having to wait till ya almost couldnt stand to wait anymore was often just as exciting as the actual show or cartoon lol. Going to miss the show that night... Tvo it... Thats no fun.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by inteller

plastic substrate media is sooo 2001.  if you aren't downloading you are behind the times.

Microsoft is teaming up with netflix to deliver their library via the 360.  That beats anything HDDVD or blu ray can deliver.

Color me old fashioned but for my favorite movies, I like having the actual movie. I like looking through them and picking out a seasonal favorite, seeing the familiar old cover, opening the case and loading the disk, etc.  If it were any ol movie, downloading would be fine, but not for my favorites. I want to own it and have it. Kind of like getting the hard cover Harry Potter books versus paper back. []  

Kind of reminds me of the thought that I think something has been lost in a world where you can see anything anytime on TV. Used to really look forward to seeing certain Christmas movies. People would schedule get togethers in order to watch it, cause if you missed it, you would have to wait till next year again to see it. "Its a Wonderful Life" was a special family event.  The Charlie Brown specials as well.  Saturday morning cartoons were the best. Would look forward all week to seeing them. Now cartoons are on all times of the day, every day. Being able to download any episode of any show at any time will even make them less special imo. I kinda feel sorry for kids these days. Having to wait till ya almost couldnt stand to wait anymore was often just as exciting as the actual show or cartoon lol. Going to miss the show that night... Tvo it... Thats no fun.

there is nothing saying that you couldn't turn a temporarily purchased movie into a permanent one by paying an additional fee.  People said the same thing about movies back in the VHS days....but do you REALLY want a nasty tape that will go bad some day?  Same thing applies to pastic substrate media.  Only way to keep your movie for good is to store it in a digital form free of physical format restrictions.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


there is nothing saying that you couldn't turn a temporarily purchased movie into a permanent one by paying an additional fee.  People said the same thing about movies back in the VHS days....but do you REALLY want a nasty tape that will go bad some day?  Same thing applies to pastic substrate media.  Only way to keep your movie for good is to store it in a digital form free of physical format restrictions.

Until your hard drive crashes. You will likely lose at least 10 hard drives before a pressed DVD goes bad.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


there is nothing saying that you couldn't turn a temporarily purchased movie into a permanent one by paying an additional fee.  People said the same thing about movies back in the VHS days....but do you REALLY want a nasty tape that will go bad some day?  Same thing applies to pastic substrate media.  Only way to keep your movie for good is to store it in a digital form free of physical format restrictions.

Until your hard drive crashes. You will likely lose at least 10 hard drives before a pressed DVD goes bad.

I guess the concept of RAID 1 is lost on you.  Most home media servers do at least that and some even go RAID3.  If you lose a RAID3 array then something truely catastrophic has occured (like the house burning down) and at that point I don't think a few movies are going to matter.

And I haven't lost a HD in over 9 years.  Solid state technology improvements will further increase reliability.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


I guess the concept of RAID 1 is lost on you.  Most home media servers do at least that and some even go RAID3.  If you lose a RAID3 array then something truely catastrophic has occured (like the house burning down) and at that point I don't think a few movies are going to matter.

And I haven't lost a HD in over 9 years.  Solid state technology improvements will further increase reliability.

Raid is far from lost on me. However tons of people bought ide-raid controllers and ran them Raid-0 which is worse than standalone (reliability-wise). I hope that no-one on the planet is still using Raid 3. Dedicated parity disks are so 1980. Raid 1,3,5 all provide the same level of protection, single drive failure.

Typically I prefer higher levels and N+1, N+2 or better redundancy, but I do use Raid 1 or 5 on the lower-level systems.

If you haven't lost one in 9 years, congrats. I generally see an average lifespan of about 3yrs on consumer drives and closer to 5 on the commercial drives.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


I guess the concept of RAID 1 is lost on you.  Most home media servers do at least that and some even go RAID3.  If you lose a RAID3 array then something truely catastrophic has occured (like the house burning down) and at that point I don't think a few movies are going to matter.

And I haven't lost a HD in over 9 years.  Solid state technology improvements will further increase reliability.

Raid is far from lost on me. However tons of people bought ide-raid controllers and ran them Raid-0 which is worse than standalone (reliability-wise). I hope that no-one on the planet is still using Raid 3. Dedicated parity disks are so 1980. Raid 1,3,5 all provide the same level of protection, single drive failure.

Typically I prefer higher levels and N+1, N+2 or better redundancy, but I do use Raid 1 or 5 on the lower-level systems.

If you haven't lost one in 9 years, congrats. I generally see an average lifespan of about 3yrs on consumer drives and closer to 5 on the commercial drives.

give me a break, there are lots of companies still using RAID3.  consumers can't shell for RAID5.  nested raid is equally expensive.  RAID1 is perfect for home applications.  RAID3 is better as it adds the aformentioned parity drive and it is optimized for large file writes, which most HD movies are.

there are many many home stoarge servers and NAS devices preconfigured for RAID1, so worrying about a disk failing is worrying for nothing.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


give me a break, there are lots of companies still using RAID3.  consumers can't shell for RAID5.  nested raid is equally expensive.  RAID1 is perfect for home applications.  RAID3 is better as it adds the aformentioned parity drive and it is optimized for large file writes, which most HD movies are.

there are many many home stoarge servers and NAS devices preconfigured for RAID1, so worrying about a disk failing is worrying for nothing.

RAID 3 and RAID 5 both use the same number of drives. What cost difference? And as noted by many sites, (you can even check wikipedia) Raid 3 is "Very Rare in practice." Commercial array controllers only support 0,1,0+1,5,6 and ADG.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


give me a break, there are lots of companies still using RAID3.  consumers can't shell for RAID5.  nested raid is equally expensive.  RAID1 is perfect for home applications.  RAID3 is better as it adds the aformentioned parity drive and it is optimized for large file writes, which most HD movies are.

there are many many home stoarge servers and NAS devices preconfigured for RAID1, so worrying about a disk failing is worrying for nothing.

RAID 3 and RAID 5 both use the same number of drives. What cost difference? And as noted by many sites, (you can even check wikipedia) Raid 3 is "Very Rare in practice." Commercial array controllers only support 0,1,0+1,5,6 and ADG.

fine, drown in your sea of DVDs I'm not going to continue to argue the benefits of media storage servers.

[Conan71]

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have just witnessed a geek smack-down.

[sgrizzle]

[sauerkraut]

It's too bad Blu-Ray won. HD-DVD is really a better format and is more compatable with current fomats and offers alot more advantages over Blu-Ray. I wonder if the name had anything to do with it? The name "Blu-Ray" has a better sound and a high tech ring to it over just plain "HD-DVD"... I don't think it'll matter much in the long run I doubt Blu-Ray will be around long  there's already new stuff in the pipeline that is better than Blu-Ray plus there's talk soon of Laser TV sets coming out with far clearer pictures than Plasma TV sets. Just as soon as everyone re-builds up their movie collection in Blu-Ray, something new will come.[B)]

[EricP]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

It's too bad Blu-Ray won. HD-DVD is really a better format and is more compatable with current fomats and offers alot more advantages over Blu-Ray. I wonder if the name had anything to do with it? The name "Blu-Ray" has a better sound and a high tech ring to it over just plain "HD-DVD"... I don't think it'll matter much in the long run I doubt Blu-Ray will be around long  there's already new stuff in the pipeline that is better than Blu-Ray plus there's talk soon of Laser TV sets coming out with far clearer pictures than Plasma TV sets. Just as soon as everyone re-builds up their movie collection in Blu-Ray, something new will come.[B)]

Blu-ray has higher capacity, that's enough to convince me

[sgrizzle]

Hd-DVD had the advantage of selling dual format discs.

Blu-ray was night and day better technically.