Brookside: Upscale Apartment Complex Proposal

[White Choc Hot Choc]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I'm having a hard time getting over something like this popping up over the neighborhood and can be seen in every direction.  Wouldn't surprise me if Bolewood got involved in fighting this as well.

Great idea, wrong area for a five story building.

Why would Bolewood fight it?  They already have RE zoning.  (Estate).

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by inteller

I'm shocked that bumgarner isn't behind this monstrosity.  all the same, I plan on supporting the Brookside neighbors to fight this garbage.

What in God's name are you talking about? You haven't even seen renderings. Stick to the South Side, bro. You can have all the sprawl you want out there. We don't need to pick a fight with these people, assuming they're plans are reasonable.  These are the kind of developers we need in the Tulsa market because they clearly understand the value (and profit) available from building in urban, walkable settings.  Let's try not to chase them away.

contrary to popular belief tulsa is not a vertical town.  5 story APARTMENTS?  take it into the IDL where there are less stringent height restrictions.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by inteller

I'm shocked that bumgarner isn't behind this monstrosity.  all the same, I plan on supporting the Brookside neighbors to fight this garbage.

What in God's name are you talking about? You haven't even seen renderings. Stick to the South Side, bro. You can have all the sprawl you want out there. We don't need to pick a fight with these people, assuming they're plans are reasonable.  These are the kind of developers we need in the Tulsa market because they clearly understand the value (and profit) available from building in urban, walkable settings.  Let's try not to chase them away.

contrary to popular belief tulsa is not a vertical town.  5 story APARTMENTS?  take it into the IDL where there are less stringent height restrictions.

4 story apartments sitting on top of parking. My guess is parking will be at least somewhat underground. That puts it at maybe 10' higher than Food Pyramid?

[YoungTulsan]

The kneejerk stupidity here is making me shake my head in disbelief.  This type of development is exactly what Brookside needs.

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

The kneejerk stupidity here is making me shake my head in disbelief.

Me, too.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

The kneejerk stupidity here is making me shake my head in disbelief.  This type of development is exactly what Brookside needs.

Thirded.

[joiei]

A couple of guesses why they chose that neighborhood over others.  (people around here like to deal in guesses)

1 - it is a walkable neighborhood
2 - it is a somewhat desirable neighborhood to live in
3 - It has much more of an urban feel than locals want to believe
4 - there is already existing popular shopping in the area within walking distance
5 - the river trails are not that far for recreation
6 - it is close to the urban core where most of its tennants would probably work(as opposed to having to deal with the BA during rush hour.
7 - there are plenty of desireable restaurants relatively close by that are locally owned and have character and appeal instead of chains
8 - 3 grocery stores within easy walkable reach

And I didn't work hard to think of these.  That would definitly be a draw for me to move in there.

[Gaspar]

I like the idea.  Could be a great catalyst.

Looked at some of the other stuff they've done.

Now I'm going to call them and try to get their business.  

Wish me luck!

They need someone to do some realistic renderings! [8D]

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by joiei


And I didn't work hard to think of these.  That would definitly be a draw for me to move in there.

Unless the rent turns out to be exorbitant, I'll certainly consider moving there.

5 stories is not that high, especially in an apartment building, which doesn't have the same space between floors that an office building does.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

A couple of guesses why they chose that neighborhood over others.  (people around here like to deal in guesses)

1 - it is a walkable neighborhood
2 - it is a somewhat desirable neighborhood to live in
3 - It has much more of an urban feel than locals want to believe
4 - there is already existing popular shopping in the area within walking distance
5 - the river trails are not that far for recreation
6 - it is close to the urban core where most of its tennants would probably work(as opposed to having to deal with the BA during rush hour.
7 - there are plenty of desireable restaurants relatively close by that are locally owned and have character and appeal instead of chains
8 - 3 grocery stores within easy walkable reach

And I didn't work hard to think of these.  That would definitly be a draw for me to move in there.

This is more than just a guess:  The area is in high demand, but there is a lack of quality apartments in the area.  Run down small 1950 era houses are renting out for $800++/month with 1 or 2 20-somethings living in them.  People are overpaying for substandard housing just for the location.  People would gladly pay good money to live in new construction apartments if they would just BUILD them.  The apartments in the area now are a good place to live if you want your car broken into all the time.  And the houses, like I said, are 1950 construction, lack modern amenities, and bleed energy like a stuck hog.  Density is also DECREASING on Brookside because so many of these old homes are being taken up by young renters who are just renting a house for the location (and may not neccesarily have a full family in their house).

If they are just taking out the postwar duplexes South and West of 39th and Rockford, they are taking out some really really run down substandard housing.  I wouldn't slight the condos between 39th and 38th/Rockford and Peoria as much - They are of the same original construction but kept in better shape.

[cannon_fodder]

Love the idea. Love the area.  Love the developer:
http://www.bomasadagroup.com/projects.html

I have no time for the "but I live there" crowd, it is just an alternative take on the "not in my backyard" stand in argument.  The good news is with the construction of this and other new  buildings around Brookside you will have plenty of places to choose from if you wish to stay in the area.  The reasons you like it (I can walk everywhere) is the reason the run down dwelling you call home is worth more bulldozed than it is with you chucking in $1100 a month in rent.  If you live there you can sell for a premium or not sell at all, if you rent then I'm sorry but you really don't have much of a say.

And going to be homeless?  That doesn't make much sense.
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5 stories might be a little high for the area.  But recently 3 story structures just went in.  If development is what we want, then we need to allow some freedoms for how it is done.  Brookside would be a prime location for a semi-urban neighborhood to (continue to) develop and 5 stories is not exactly a high rise.

I have an 8 story building in the middle of my neighborhood (TPS administration) and it detracts nothing from it that I can tell. Just down the street the Medical Arts building is another 6 ot 7 stories.  Not too far away Dollar Thrifty.  What of the houses right next to any of the hospitals?  5 stories is not the doom of a neighborhood for any reason.
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For those interested:

quote:Important Meeting:Proposed 5-Story Brookside Apartment Complex

The Brookside Neighborhood Association will host an important meeting on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 to provide information about a very significant precedent-setting apartment complex in Brookside. Specifically, the Bomasada Group of Houston, Texas proposes to build an upscale, 5-story complex consisting of approximately 250 units at the southwest corner of 39th and Rockford.

Bomasada wants the input and support of the neighbors before completing their design and presenting it to the TMAPC and the Tulsa City Council. Bosamada principals will be present to share their plans and answer neighbors' questions.

This meeting will be held at Wright Elementary School, 1110 E. 45th Pl., (one block west of Peoria). Doors will open at 7:00 p.m. and plans for the project will be available for review.

The presentation will begin at 7:30 pm.

This will be your chance to air your concerns and state what you think should be built in Brookside.

http://neighborhoodtulsa.com/brookside/newsblog/

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PS. Someone go and take pictures of the plans!

PPS.  The picture in this thread is of a DOWNTOWN development in Little Rock.  A residential area would probably have a different design.

[YoungTulsan]

I think the people being asked to move should be offered a decent amount of money for moving costs.  Other than that, I do not understand the "I'll go homeless" arguement.  If they are living at 39th and Rockford, they are more than likely overpaying by a good deal on rent anyway.  They could afford the same, or more, in a lower demand area of town.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by White Choc Hot Choc

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I'm having a hard time getting over something like this popping up over the neighborhood and can be seen in every direction.  Wouldn't surprise me if Bolewood got involved in fighting this as well.

Great idea, wrong area for a five story building.

Why would Bolewood fight it?  They already have RE zoning.  (Estate).

How many of the people in Bolewood are going to want to look off the NW side of their property at an apartment building?  Not many is my guess.

[cannon_fodder]

YT -

At a whim their landlord could say he no longer wants to rent to them and kick them out with no compensation at the end of their lease.  If they have a term in their lease they are entitled to some form of compensation (usually minimal).  Tenants have a right to occupy and use the land for a stipulated amount of time, they have no right of continuing that occupation.

Not that it wouldn't be nice to give them moving expenses or some other little kick back to help things out, just sayin' they sure don't have to.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by inteller

I'm shocked that bumgarner isn't behind this monstrosity.  all the same, I plan on supporting the Brookside neighbors to fight this garbage.

What in God's name are you talking about? You haven't even seen renderings. Stick to the South Side, bro. You can have all the sprawl you want out there. We don't need to pick a fight with these people, assuming they're plans are reasonable.  These are the kind of developers we need in the Tulsa market because they clearly understand the value (and profit) available from building in urban, walkable settings.  Let's try not to chase them away.

contrary to popular belief tulsa is not a vertical town.  5 story APARTMENTS?  take it into the IDL where there are less stringent height restrictions.

4 story apartments sitting on top of parking. My guess is parking will be at least somewhat underground. That puts it at maybe 10' higher than Food Pyramid?

Not so fast, when you allow for mechancial systems, figure about 12' per floor.  They would likely wind up with something about twice the height of Food Pyramid IF parking is underground.

I didn't say I'm against it, just having a hard time picturing this sticking up overlooking Brookside and I think some of the surrounding neighborhoods are going to have a problem with it.