Brookside: Upscale Apartment Complex Proposal

[cannon_fodder]

Great job Tulsa!  

Every time something exciting seems like it is about to happen we somehow manage to f^%& it up.  Aquarium to Jenks along with river development.  Bass Pro to BA.  East end project failed.  East end project failed.  East end project failed.  No development around the BOk arena.  No river tax.  Roads crap.  Fairgrounds being deserted.  You're forcing me to turn into the unFriendly Bear.

Now this.  An experienced developer wants to add a story so it makes economic sense to build something nice and offers to spend $30,000,000.00 building the kind of "urban" development in an area known to attract the young professionals our city claims to desire and demanded no obscene public financing... and it takes us well under a month to run them off.

Lesson learned.  If you want to build grade "A" developments in Tulsa you had better be hooked into the system somehow  or it won't happen.  Lesson learn, we'll build elsewhere.

Sometimes I frikken hate this town.

[Townsend]

Has the cancellation been verified?

[Double A]

I'm glad to see this go down in flames, if,  in fact it is. It's really sad to see a city that supposedly supports diversity celebrating such large scale economic segregation.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I'm glad to see this go down in flames, if,  in fact it is. It's really sad to see a city that supposedly supports diversity celebrating such large scale economic segregation.

Wouldn't this have added diversity?  How many other class A, apartment complexes in this price range are there in the area? There are still plenty of other inexpensive apartments in the area besides what would have been replaced by this ONE complex. The developer wanted this to be one of the best if not the best apartment complex in the city. THAT would have added diversity.

Tulsa is predominantly a poor and working class city, filled with Class B and C complexes. Whats wrong with adding a little diversity by having an apartment complex for some middle to upper middle class people?

I have heard this "diversity" argument from a couple of people in several situations and its BS. Frankly I find it hard to find as many young, wealthy, educated, YP types in Tulsa as there are in a lot of cities I visit. Our jobs, economy and local wages show that. We are sorely lacking in that aspect of diversity if you ask me. I think your just being a selfish little twit with no concern for any other demographic than your own. Because this would obviously have added MORE diversity not less. You say you care about diversity but its comments like this that show you really don't. Its not like this is Manhattan or central London where there isnt much affordable housing for miles around. There is pleeenty of cheap affordable housing and apartments in this city and this ONE apartment complex wouldn't have made it even slightly difficlult for anyone to find affordable housing in the city or even that area.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I'm glad to see this go down in flames, if,  in fact it is. It's really sad to see a city that supposedly supports diversity celebrating such large scale economic segregation.

"Upscale" is just a label.  Everything is marketed as "upscale" these days, because otherwise it is seen as low-class.  Besides, this was simply a business proposal responding to customer demand.  Economic segregation? You demand a certain degree of quality in every product you purchase.  That same degree of quality is not the same for everyone.  This isn't economic segregation, it's just responding to consumer preferences.  If a customer asks for a Lexus you don't offer them a Ford.

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Word has it, that the deal has fallen through.

What's your source?

I am reminded of a famous quote:
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."  - Mark Twain

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I'm glad to see this go down in flames, if,  in fact it is. It's really sad to see a city that supposedly supports diversity celebrating such large scale economic segregation.

Wouldn't this have added diversity?  How many other class A, apartment complexes in this price range are there in the area? There are still plenty of other inexpensive apartments in the area besides what would have been replaced by this ONE complex. The developer wanted this to be one of the best if not the best apartment complex in the city. THAT would have added diversity.

Tulsa is predominantly a poor and working class city, filled with Class B and C complexes. Whats wrong with adding a little diversity by having an apartment complex for some middle to upper middle class people?

I have heard this "diversity" argument from a couple of people in several situations and its BS. Frankly I find it hard to find as many young, wealthy, educated, YP types in Tulsa as there are in a lot of cities I visit. Our jobs, economy and local wages show that. We are sorely lacking in that aspect of diversity if you ask me. I think your just being a selfish little twit with no concern for any other demographic than your own. Because this would obviously have added MORE diversity not less. You say you care about diversity but its comments like this that show you really don't. Its not like this is Manhattan or central London where there isnt much affordable housing for miles around. There is pleeenty of cheap affordable housing and apartments in this city and this ONE apartment complex wouldn't have made it even slightly difficlult for anyone to find affordable housing in the city or even that area.

The demographics of D9 tell a much different story. Now, if this was planned for North Tulsa your argument would hold water.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Word has it, that the deal has fallen through.

What's your source?

I am reminded of a famous quote:
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."  - Mark Twain

When was the last time a development died in Tulsa because of zoning? I just don't buy that a developer spent quite a bit of time and money getting to the planning commission and folds after a single meeting.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Word has it, that the deal has fallen through.

What's your source?

I am reminded of a famous quote:
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."  - Mark Twain

When was the last time a development died in Tulsa because of zoning? I just don't buy that a developer spent quite a bit of time and money getting to the planning commission and folds after a single meeting.

ditto...

[booWorld]

I wouldn't think zoning would kill the proposal, either.  The building height above 35 feet could have been approved as part of a PUD.  Getting 33,000 square feet of the property re-zoned from RM-2 to RM-3 probably would have not been a huge problem, either -- especially the land adjacent to Food Pyramid.

Staying above the regulatory floodplain elevation would have added some expense to the site grading and structural system for the building, but I'm guessing that the floodplain issue could have been overcome also.  

[cannon_fodder]

I put a call in to Bamasada to see if I could verify.  Becky Perry was not in so I left a message.  I have been unable to see any verification on this yet.  Will post if she gets back to me or I get hold of them.

I should not have participated in the nay saying until I verified.

[cannon_fodder]

The project is still moving forward.  I started a new thread in case someone read the rumor in this thread and then ceased reading the thread.

I spoke to a representative who was unsure, so she contacted John Gilbert - senior vice president of Bomasada.  According to John "the project is moving forward." That was as of 2:30 this afternoon.

[YoungTulsan]

Thanks for clearing that up, CF.  I'm looking forward to seeing this get underway.  Between that, the offices at 41st and Rockford, and the lofts on 41st Place, that little area is going to change significantly in a short period of time.  More population density, and more people working in that area will also inject even more life into the nearby Brookside businesses.

[Renaissance]

Yeah, it also will be interesting to see what happens with the area south of Brookside, between 41st and I-44, once these projects go in, the interstate is rebuilt, and the Camelot property is rebuilt.

[spoonbill]

Comes up at TAPC on the 4th.

There is talk that Bomasada is pulling out, but not ready to go public, until they have secured the site in one of their other markets.  They hit the TAPC on the 4th of April and don't want to jeopardize anything yet.

If you want some insight, talk to the fire marshall and find out what he thinks of the plan.  This is where the ball started to bounce sideways.

BE AWARE!, this monster (Bomasada) will not change their architectural plans for ANYONE!  It's too expensive for them.  If the fire marshall has suggestions or changes he would like to see made, you will need to put a gag on him if you want project to continue.  If however you respect his opinion, the project will move to another market, and we will have to attract another developer to the site.

Bomasada maintains a process budget for site adaptation.  Architectural changes that exceed the site adaptation budget, cause their business model to change direction.  It is a very effective system that works for them.  If we make this project expensive, the machine has to switch gears and move to another market.  That's just the way it is!

The ball is in our court.

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