I'm guessing it's Garth

[Conan71]

I had my donkey thoroughly handed to me this morning by the two country music experts at work.  I was thinking just about verbatim what Persp. was.  I kept thinking "That's the big announcement, pancakes?"

I listen to enough country I recognize the name and voice but don't really follow who's who.  I still think Randy Travis and Clint Black are big stars. [] Chesney is a lot bigger star than I gave him credit for.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I had my donkey thoroughly handed to me this morning by the two country music experts at work.  I was thinking just about verbatim what Persp. was.  I kept thinking "That's the big announcement, pancakes?"

I listen to enough country I recognize the name and voice but don't really follow who's who.  I still think Randy Travis and Clint Black are big stars. [] Chesney is a lot bigger star than I gave him credit for.

I am not a country music fan by any means but I definitely know the name "kenny chesney" and a few of his songs.  The following paragraph was taken from wikipedia

"To date, he has also produced thirty-one Top Ten singles on the U.S. Billboard Hot Country Songs charts, thirteen of which reached Number One. In addition, Chesney has received six ACM (including three consecutive Entertainer of the Year Awards),[2] as well as three CMA awards. Chesney is also one of the most popular touring acts in country music, regularly selling out the venues at which he performs;[3][4] his 2007 Flip-Flop Summer Tour was the highest-grossing country road trip of 2007.[5] His most recent album, Just Who I Am: Poets & Pirates, was released on September 11, 2007."

I would say he is a big star.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

perspicuity,

trust me, Chesney would NOT be coming to Tulsa without the new arena.  

Chesney played at the Convention Center on June 3, 2004. http://www.livedaily.com/news/6083.html

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85


As I see it, the whole point of the arena is to attract a caliber of concerts that Tulsa would not have attracted without the arena.  I may be biased because I don't listen to country, but Kenny Chesney does not at all seem to be of that caliber.

You're biased because you don't listen to country.

Chesney is huge.  Just understand that he's an incredibly popular country artist who will not only fill the arena but create high demand for tickets.  This is still Oklahoma, after all.  And he wouldn't have come here without the BOK Center, except perhaps--perhaps--to play Country Thunder in Pryor.  So, at a minimum, this is pulling entertainment options back from the suburbs toward the core; but more likely, it's pulling entertainment options to the metro area that would not have come otherwise.

I get it, but I want something bigger than Oklahoma.  I want something that may not have come to Oklahoma at all without the BOk Center.  I know Chesney is a big deal to country fans, but I want someone that is a big deal to all fans, like Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, or Elton John.  Sorry, guess I'm just a perfectionist.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85


As I see it, the whole point of the arena is to attract a caliber of concerts that Tulsa would not have attracted without the arena.  I may be biased because I don't listen to country, but Kenny Chesney does not at all seem to be of that caliber.

You're biased because you don't listen to country.

Chesney is huge.  Just understand that he's an incredibly popular country artist who will not only fill the arena but create high demand for tickets.  This is still Oklahoma, after all.  And he wouldn't have come here without the BOK Center, except perhaps--perhaps--to play Country Thunder in Pryor.  So, at a minimum, this is pulling entertainment options back from the suburbs toward the core; but more likely, it's pulling entertainment options to the metro area that would not have come otherwise.

I get it, but I want something bigger than Oklahoma.  I want something that may not have come to Oklahoma at all without the BOk Center.  I know Chesney is a big deal to country fans, but I want someone that is a big deal to all fans, like Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, or Elton John.  Sorry, guess I'm just a perfectionist.

Haven't all 3 of them played here before?

[cannon_fodder]

perspicuity,

Look at the venues he played in 2004 from the link you gave me.
http://www.livedaily.com/news/6083.html

A fair number of large outdoor amphitheaters, some FORD center type places, and then concert halls, convention centers, and state fairs.

Then look at the list of venues he is playing in 2008:
NFL Stadiums
The largest arenas
MLB Stadiums
Giant outdoor venues

quote:Solider Field in Chicago, The Cleveland Browns Stadium, MGM Grand Arena, LP Field (NFL Titans), Lincoln Financial Field (Eagles), Ford Field (Lions), Lucas Oil Stadium (Colts), Turner Field (Braves)

I just named a few.  Add to tat U of Phoenix stadium (home of the Super Bowl) and a ton of other super venues.  
http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?Content=A-KENCHE&StartSearch.x=12&StartSearch.y=18&By=All&PSKey=Y

In the last 4 years I'll go out on a limb and say he has risen to super stardom.  Going from state fairs and the Tulsa Convention Center to filling NFL stadiums.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85


As I see it, the whole point of the arena is to attract a caliber of concerts that Tulsa would not have attracted without the arena.  I may be biased because I don't listen to country, but Kenny Chesney does not at all seem to be of that caliber.

You're biased because you don't listen to country.

Chesney is huge.  Just understand that he's an incredibly popular country artist who will not only fill the arena but create high demand for tickets.  This is still Oklahoma, after all.  And he wouldn't have come here without the BOK Center, except perhaps--perhaps--to play Country Thunder in Pryor.  So, at a minimum, this is pulling entertainment options back from the suburbs toward the core; but more likely, it's pulling entertainment options to the metro area that would not have come otherwise.

I get it, but I want something bigger than Oklahoma.  I want something that may not have come to Oklahoma at all without the BOk Center.  I know Chesney is a big deal to country fans, but I want someone that is a big deal to all fans, like Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, or Elton John.  Sorry, guess I'm just a perfectionist.

Haven't all 3 of them played here before?

yep.  Dylan played the Zoo Amp and Clapton and Elton John played in the Ford Center.  In fact, it was just last year (iirc) that Clapton played there.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino


yep.  Dylan played the Zoo Amp and Clapton and Elton John played in the Ford Center.  In fact, it was just last year (iirc) that Clapton played there.

I meant in Tulsa. I know Clapton and Elton John have played here, just wasn't sure about Bob Dylan.

[kylieosu]

Yes, Bob Dylan played Cain's, almost exactly four years ago.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by kylieosu

Yes, Bob Dylan played Cain's, almost exactly four years ago.

That show sucked.

Driller stadium was awesome.

Love the Bob.

[joiei]

Update on Kenny Chesney for all you doubters out there who don't think he can sell tickets.  

quote: Kenny Chesney easily snagged 12 nominations on Tuesday to lead contenders for the annual Academy of Country Music awards, and Rodney Atkins, who has had four straight No. 1 singles, was second with six

[PonderInc]

I've been thinking about the BOK Arena opening act.  We need someone who's an amazing performer, who hasn't toured OK in the recent past, who's too big to have played in the Ford Center, and who would draw worldwide attention to our fabulous new arena.

I think the answer is obvious....

...assuming Elvis lives...

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Deep Purple is still together?

Many of those bands are not still together.  But some band members will have or buy out the name rights from the others and tour under that name.  Van Halen, Pink Floyd (tours without Roger Waters somehow), Skynyrd, CCR, Rage, The Police, Def Leppard... all tour without original members as far as I know.  Anyone know if the Smashing Pumpkins is the real deal?  

Of the list I can say I've seen 10, and I haven't been to a big concert in 6+ years.  kinda  sad how the industry is dominated by old blood.

Smashing Pumpkins is 1/2 real. Billy Corgan is leading it and is somehow keeping Jimmy Chamberlin out of rehab. James Iha and Darcy aren't part of it, however.

I consider them 100% real.  Iha and Wretsky were, at best, expendible musicians.  Iha did co-write a few songs here and there, but his guitar work was largely just noisy squeals and feedback, and although I love her, D'arcy is probably the least distinctive bassist in rock.  Anyway, Billy played bass and all guitars on at least one of their albums.  The new musicians are capable and probably superior musicians to the originals.  And, unlike Zwan, Billy is not deliberately trying to write songs that purposely don't sound like the Pumpkins (except for the last song on the Zwan album.)  As long as Billy is singing and Jimmy is pounding on the drums (listen to the end of "Starz" and tell me that's not the real Pumpkins) they're the Pumpkins to me (Adore probably should have been a Corgan solo album.)

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
No-one would know who they were if not for Iha and, to a smaller percentage, D'arcy. Chamberlin is worthless then and now.

That's gotta be the most absurd thing I've read here, even worse than the Repub kookery you see here on the daily basis.  Seriously, Jimmy is my favorite drummer and has an extremely distinct sound which is rare for a percussionist.  He's the reason the heaviest Pumpkins songs have that reckless energy that makes them so great.  

quote:
Corgan was a decent writer but Iha and the rest were the real musical talent. Now all Corgan has to do is hire people who can do play good SP covers to be his backing guitarists so he sounds good.

If Iha and Wretsky were the real musical talent, then why did Corgan play 100% of the guitars and 100% of the bass on Siamese Dream?  And James Iha has been quoted saying that the Pumpkins albums were almost entirely Chamberlin and Corgan.   And it is also a known fact that Billy played bass on "Drown" from the Singles soundtrack.  And why did Billy play the lion's share of the solos on most songs?  Iha is pretty good at manipulating feedback and making squeals, while Billy has a soulful, lyrical lead style which I greatly prefer.  And there is no comparison in songwriting ability.  Did you hear Iha's solo album?  Terrible, just terrible.  Iha has written a couple of good songs and helped Billy out a few times (he co-wrote Soma, which is a near-perfect song) but for the most part his songwriting is way too cheerful for my tastes.  Iha and Wretsky might have been a big part of the chemistry of the Pumpkins, but Chamberlin and Corgan were the muscle behind the band.

[bacjz00]

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