Chipoltes going in at 15th/Trenton, at a detriment

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

 Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept,

coffee spitting laugh of the day- that one's so obvious. [}:)]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.

I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451

listen.  I was at the TMAPC meeting last night, I pulled the location description right out of the Exhibit.  Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept, it is the SW corner of 15th/Trenton.  That is why a Swan Lake person was there.  They are going to scrape one or more buildings on that corner to build a Chipotles.  If you don't believe me DVR the entire TMAPC meeting tomorrow at 8 am.

I dealt with someone today who didn't know which corner of an intersection their own house was on, you dealt with a developer who think 4-to-fix is widening 101st, we're not exactly dealing with mental giants.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by inteller

 Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept,

coffee spitting laugh of the day- that one's so obvious. [}:)]

if you want to get depressed about citizen commissions and INCOG, just watch the TMAPC meeting from last night.

The funniest thing, watch when 4 o clock comes around during the meeting, the guvmint wurkers (INCOG) split out of there. ( I think Chris Sansone stayed around a little longer)  So there goes all of your ability to query staff on specific issues.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

I'd like to see some real information before jumping to any conclusions. The SW corner is very much operating businesses in buildings in decent shape.

I'm betting it's the NE corner that is up for sale:
http://www.costar.com/FreeSearch/Detail/Detail.aspx?p=3EBC6921B36EB224C28ED137E12DE451

listen.  I was at the TMAPC meeting last night, I pulled the location description right out of the Exhibit.  Unless INCOG is COMPLETELY inept, it is the SW corner of 15th/Trenton.  That is why a Swan Lake person was there.  They are going to scrape one or more buildings on that corner to build a Chipotles.  If you don't believe me DVR the entire TMAPC meeting tomorrow at 8 am.

I dealt with someone today who didn't know which corner of an intersection their own house was on, you dealt with a developer who think 4-to-fix is widening 101st, we're not exactly dealing with mental giants.

speaking of mental giants.  TMAPC member Midgett (the mayor's lapdog,"appointee")had the AUDACITY to suggest reverse spike strips (like you see at rental car return lots) to prevent people from coming in one of the entrances across from a neighborhood street.  

Sorry bub, but this isn't north Tulsa.  If Target did that they would be the ONLY big box in town to have such draconian (and potentially illegal) methods of controlling traffic.  But of course the weasel developers said they would be perfectly ok with those.  The ridiculous of some of the suggestions made you wonder what planet these people live on.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by tshane250

One of these buildings???

I can't see your pictures but it is two buildings I think on the SW corner.  it might just be one though.  They didn't say much about it because it was getting deferred but something about the parking out back was non compliant and they needed more I think.

Parking density rules in this town are ****ed up.

I could see them scraping that building RIGHT on the SW corner with the green banner in the windows - it's empty - used to be an insurance company and a printing shop before that...

Hate to see that kind of nonsense happen due to outdated parking requirements.  UGH.  Here we go again.

[sgrizzle]

The city hasn't succesfully made 85th Ave into the neighborhood north of Woodland Hills one-way yet despite years of trying.

[Renaissance]

I want details confirmed first, but if true, this is so, so stupid.  Someone or some entity needs to get its head out of its arse.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

The city hasn't succesfully made 85th Ave into the neighborhood north of Woodland Hills one-way yet despite years of trying.

Are you talking about the spot that pops out behind Wal-mart?  There is no way to turn into the neighborhood, only a left or right out of the neighborhood.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

I want details confirmed first, but if true, this is so, so stupid.  Someone or some entity needs to get its head out of its arse.

well, there is not much to confirm other than how much is getting torn down.  Swan lake is on top of it but they are going to get screwed just like our HOA did.  INCOG and TMAPC repeatedly shows (through claiming helplessness) that they don't give a damn about neighborhoods.

[PonderInc]

OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:

Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton.  They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking.  The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house.  The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.

They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes.  They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot.  (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.)  They also want a variance for a sign in the front.  

I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily.  They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.  

I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally).  However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.

BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:

Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton.  They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking.  The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house.  The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.

They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes.  They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot.  (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.)  They also want a variance for a sign in the front.  

I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily.  They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.  

I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally).  However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.

BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.

REAL FACTS!?!?!?!?

[tshane250]

So they want to tear down this house?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:

Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton.  They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking.  The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house.  The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.

They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes.  They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot.  (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.)  They also want a variance for a sign in the front.  

I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily.  They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.  

I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally).  However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.

BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.

Works for me, thanks for quelling the rumor mill.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

OK, let's try to inject some facts into this conversation:

Chipoltle's will utilize the EXISTING building on the SW corner of 15th and Trenton.  They want to tear down one small house BEHIND the building for parking.  The historic district line is drawn just SOUTH of that house.  The house that they want to tear down is not in the historic district and it is zoned OL, so they don't even have to ask permission to do this.

They will build a security fence behind the parking lot to shield it from the neighboring homes.  They want a variance related to the amount of landscaping that will be along the back strip of the parking lot.  (Their plan includes some, but not a continuous 5' strip.)  They also want a variance for a sign in the front.  

I'm personally against additional signage in front, as it would just clutter up Cherry Street unnecessarily.  They will have plenty of storefront space for their sign.  

I wish they didn't want to tear down the house for parking (they could ask for a variance for LESS parking, but there is no reason for them to bother, legally).  However, I'm happy they will be preserving the building on Cherry Street, and putting the parking in the rear.

BOA meeting is next Tues, 2/26/08 at 1:00 PM.

That will be a great place for a Chipotle.  It's dumb that we don't alter parking requirements for dense districts like Cherry Street, though.

[inteller]

here is my problem.  Chipoltes is a high traffic/volume place.  They don't want people staying.  They want a constant feeder line of people ordering burritos and leaving.  For that reason you dont need more parking.  They should do the responsible thing and ask for a parking reduction.