If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio...

[Breadburner]

She will roll in Pennsylvania as well.....

[guido911]

quote:
She now has more popular votes than him nationwide.

Are you including Michigan where Obama was not even on the ballot?

Here's a source for totals:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[Conan71]

Deep down, a lot of Republicans I've talked to have been saying privately that if McCain were to lose in November, they'd rather him lose to Hillary as she is a known quantity and will likely have to become more moderate much as Mr. Clinton did.  

Obama is too much of an unknown.  His character has not been thoroughly tested since he's missed so many Senate votes.  I still don't get the cachet a candidate holds who hasn't fulfilled the duties of his Senate job.  

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
There's no dent in the lead.

Hillary picked up 27 delgates and possibly more from the caucus in Texas. She got 350,000 more votes than him last night.

She now has more popular votes than him nationwide.

"no dent in the lead"?

Both these statements are false. Hillary does not have more popular votes. She trails by a mere 100,000 or so out of 25,000,000. NOT THAT IT MATTERS.

As far as Texass delegates. She picks up 5=10 on the popular vote, but due to a strange caucus system loses 7. She'll gain a net 3-5 delegates after he was so far behind 2 months ago.

Good democrats need to keep in mind this fact. The prepondreance of black voters have helped Obama carry many close races. They will not support Hillary in the general election. Then you can look back to 2000 and 20004 to see how the election unfolds. Republicans will focus only on their strongholds knowing the critical electoral votes lay in their traditional fold.
If Barack does get the nomination, black voters turn out in droves and drive the repugs from power.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

She will roll in Pennsylvania as well.....

Barack does not need Pennsylvania to win the nod.

[rwarn17588]

The fact remains that Hillary picked up seven and a maximum of 10 net delegates last night, according to MSNBC. That's not going to do much against a fellow who had a 100-delegate lead.

It was kind of interesting how Hillary's goals kept changing. First, she needed "big" wins -- as in 15 points and more -- in Ohio and Texas. She didn't get that in either.

Nevertheless, Obama needs to finish strong.

[Conan71]

I could picture Bill Clinton personally appealing to Obama:

BC:  "Now Barack, let's do what we all know is right and back my little Hillary."

BHO: "Why on earth should I do that?"

BC:  "Well young man, because it's her turn.  America loves a Clinton and I don't think you ought to stand in the way of what America wants."

BHO:  "Well sir, don't you think it's time for change?  Maybe someone different should run the country than a Clinton or Bush the next four years."

BC:  "Barack that 'change' thing is cute and all but it's Hillary's turn.  You can be her vice president for eight years, then you can have your turn, okay?  First woman President before first black President, okay?"

BHO:  "Uh, Mr. President, with all due respect that didn't work so well for Al Gore."

BC:  "Now don't start up with that Gore crap or I'll have you picking cotton...."

Based on Hilldog's quotes last night, don't put it past the Clintons.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Deep down, a lot of Republicans I've talked to have been saying privately that if McCain were to lose in November, they'd rather him lose to Hillary as she is a known quantity and will likely have to become more moderate much as Mr. Clinton did.  

Obama is too much of an unknown.  His character has not been thoroughly tested since he's missed so many Senate votes.  I still don't get the cachet a candidate holds who hasn't fulfilled the duties of his Senate job.  

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/02/13/clinton-leads-obama-in-missed-senate-votes/

Clinton leads Obama in missed Senate votes
February 13th, 2008, filed by Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton may be falling behind rival Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, but she has the lead in missed votes in the U.S. Senate so far this year.

After reviewing Republican presidential hopeful John McCain's voting record on Tuesday, we examined how the Democrats were handling their day job as well.

Clinton missed 18 of 21 votes while Obama missed 10 of 21 roll calls so far this year, though they spent much of Tuesday casting votes related to a bill that ultimately passed, empowering U.S. intelligence agencies to conduct domestic surveillance on terrorism suspects without court orders.

The two skipped the final passage vote for that measure as they headed back out on the campaign trail but McCain, who has a commanding lead for his party's nomination, stuck around for it.

McCain matched Obama's tally for 2008, missing 10 out of 21 votes. In December, Obama and Clinton each missed 27 of 30 votes.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/clinton-obama_pillow_fight.html

...In fact, Obama sponsored more than 800 bills during his eight years as an Illinois state senator. And his U.S. Senate career, while brief, has been action-packed.

As for Obama's list of his accomplishments, he's right on every count. A Washington Post editorial credited Obama for helping to create "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet," and the Coburn-Obama Act created a new Web site, USAspending.gov, which allows anyone to see where federal contracting and grant money is being spent. Moreover, it was an Obama-sponsored amendment that ended Walter Reed's practice of requiring outpatient military personnel to pay for their own meals. And as a state senator in Illinois, Obama championed a bill requiring the police to videotape prisoner interrogations. Although initially controversial, the measure passed the Senate unanimously; even Republicans conceded that the turnaround was largely Obama's doing. Finally, while Obama didn't mention this one, we think it's worth noting that the Lugar-Obama non-proliferation initiative provided funds for destroying nuclear weapons and for intercepting weapons of mass destruction.

In short, Clinton is wrong to suggest that Obama lacks a substantive legislative record.

[Conan71]

Go back and re-run that total dating back to last June and you'll get my point.

[USRufnex]

Sorry Conan.  He had to create a campaign out of nothing.  His campaign has been run very well.  Funny how all those other US Senators including Kerry and Kennedy and McCaskill, etc etc... don't have a problem with him missing senate votes, endorsing him in a campaign for the highest office in the country.

Yet Conan has decided that this should disqualify Obama to be president.  Hmmm, which opinion holds more weight?  The opinion of a serial TNF poster or the opinions of people and politicians who have experience and know the senate...  

One of the BIGGEST issues he has to counter with his campaigning are his detractors who will INSIST on using his initials BHO.... that's right....

"Barack HUSSEIN Obama, say it over and over again... 'Barack HUSSEIN Obama, say it loud and there's music playing... say it soft and it's almost like praying...'"  []  /sarcasm  

It is a non-issue.   Except in the media's "tennis court of spin"... I've observed the guy over the course of years and years in Illinois.  He has the experience and in my opinion deserves to be president.

[Conan71]

Why don't you try commenting on other's posts without resorting to personal attacks?

BHO sounds more respectful than B.O.  Endorsements from Kerry & Kennedy- that's all I need to know, say no more.  Obama is the perfect sock-puppet for guys like that.

I'm not picking strictly on Obama.  I think all members of the House and Senate should be required to abdicate their seat in order to run for higher office.  It's a rip-off to the citizens who elected them to look out for the best interests of their constituency in Washington.

[USRufnex]

Awww, did Conan get his feelings hurt?... Sorry.  I thought you could take it.

Geez, you've got an avatar that accuses Hillary Clinton of being a communist.

Obama overwhelmingly won the state of Illinois in the super tuesday primary (and yes, Hillary Clinton grew up in Park Ridge, IL)... if the people of Illinois didn't have a problem with it, why should it be an issue... unless you're just grasping for straws, not unlike the gossip over Kathy Taylor voting in two states?!?

And you think YOU'RE the subject of personal attacks... geez.  []

Obama is no more of a "sock-puppet" for Kennedy than Paul Simon and Paul Wellstone were... keep spinnin'...

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

Awww, did Conan get his feelings hurt?... Sorry.  I thought you could take it.

Geez, you've got an avatar that accuses Hillary Clinton of being a communist.

Obama overwhelmingly won the state of Illinois in the super tuesday primary... if the people of Illinois didn't have a problem with it, why should it be an issue... unless you're just grasping for straws, not unlike the gossip over Kathy Taylor voting in two states?!?

And you think YOU'RE the subject of personal attacks... geez.  []

Yes, Conan have vewy tender feewings.  I crave approval from you Ruf.  []

Just saying we can disagree without snipey comments like "serial poster".

No kidding Obama carried Illinois.  It's pretty rare a candidate for President won't carry his or her home state in the primaries or in the general.  Hell, Even Minnesota carried Mondale in '84 (only state which did, along with D.C.).

I'll repeat it again: elected legislators, including John McCain spending the majority of their time on the campaign trail are a taxpayer and constituent rip-off.  There should be a law...

Where I qualify Obama moreso as being different on my point is that he's missed more votes than McCain or Clinton in the last calendar year.  None of the three fulfill their constitutional obligation to constituents when they play hookie from their day job.  Hillary and McCain have had to build campaigns as well.  I disagree Obama had any more of a hill to climb than Hillary or McCain.  If anyone, McCain has had the greatest odds to overcome.  Nobody wanted him last September and everyone thought he was done.

That alone is not my biggest problem, I personally think Obama is the perfect sock-puppet for unelectable Democrats like Kerry, Kennedy, and Gore.  I can see liberal duds like those living vicariously through Obama and pulling a lot of his strings.  

[inteller]

well of course, because Obama is used to having his strings pulled by scumbags like Resko.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

well of course, because Obama is used to having his strings pulled by scumbags like Resko.

Pathetic....

Is that slander the best you can do? Crawl back into your paper bag. I know a few ready to light it and put it on the White House front porch.