Tulsa, Cornerstone Creek Development

[TheArtist]

Cornerstone Creek
South Tulsa Retail Development across from the Spirit Events Center in Bixby

This retail center is located on 34 acres in the growing southern area of the city.  In close proximity to a new convention center, the site is a planned mix of tenant offerings that include a 110,000 square foot Lifetime Fitness Center, 60,000 square feet of junior anchors, 5-6 pad sites, a proposed boutique hotel and approximately 34,000 square feet of high end lifestyle shops offered in a comfortable, pedestrian oriented "Main Street" theme including a public plaza space with outdoor dining areas.  The distinctive architectural design of Cornerstone Creek is inspired by Tulsa's rich heritage of both Art Deco and Prairie style buildings that are still in use today.









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[Renaissance]

Cool.  Lot of surface parking, though.

[sgrizzle]

At first it looked dense, then I realized the only thing dense was the architect.

Don't trust the promises of an architect or developer who can't spell "elevation."

[inteller]

this is not across from the events center.  This will be where they tore down the old fitness center/gym thing.

[cannon_fodder]

Looks cool.  Too bad it will be, by necessity, about as urban as the Wal-Mart in Bixby.  When everyone will drive to your location, there are no other attractions nearby, and land is cheap - surface parking is guaranteed.   If done right it will be a bastion of shops with parking behind them.  I'm guessing it will be much like the shopping area North of 41st and Yale (Reasors, Barns and Noble)... really just a big strip mall - with upgraded architecture this time though.

And again,e very new development further south precludes development downtown. [V]  We only need so much retail and while some of it is area specific many retailers also look at over all market saturation.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Looks cool.  Too bad it will be, by necessity, about as urban as the Wal-Mart in Bixby.  When everyone will drive to your location, there are no other attractions nearby, and land is cheap - surface parking is guaranteed.   If done right it will be a bastion of shops with parking behind them.  I'm guessing it will be much like the shopping area North of 41st and Yale (Reasors, Barns and Noble)... really just a big strip mall - with upgraded architecture this time though.

And again,e very new development further south precludes development downtown. [V]  We only need so much retail and while some of it is area specific many retailers also look at over all market saturation.

the problem is you have local developers with vested interest in south town properties driving outside retail partners unnecessarily south.  These local developers make promises that all the money is south so they keep retail building south.  The outside retailers are just armed with a little demographic info, but no predeictive demand models (that would require thinking).  So they just take the easy route and go along with the developers.  It is a vicious cycle.  I blame the usual cadre of land speculators and developers.  Frisbee tops the list.

Don't worry, you all will be able to gloat plenty years from now when south tulsa is saturated with empty buildings from overbuilding.

and BTW, I see nothing Art Deco about this....and I'm sick of prairie style being some defining characteristic of Tulsa.  Prairie style has NEVER held historical signifigance in Tulsa.  Only in recent years have developers slapped on that cliche roof style.  10 years ago you'd be hard pressed to find that **** in Tulsa.

[joiei]

I have a problem with the large parking lots surrounding everything, that does not say pedistrian friendly to me.  And the architecture is not faux Tuscan, that could be a plus since Tulsa is not located in Tuscany.  Plus major national retail stores have their own signature designs that will not fit into that model.

[Kenosha]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

At first it looked dense, then I realized the only thing dense was the architect.

Don't trust the promises of an architect or developer who can't spell "elevation."

That was probably the renderer's fault...not the architect.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

I have a problem with the large parking lots surrounding everything, that does not say pedistrian friendly to me.  And the architecture is not faux Tuscan, that could be a plus since Tulsa is not located in Tuscany.  Plus major national retail stores have their own signature designs that will not fit into that model.

Bixby's architecture style (as defined by the planning comm) is "mediterranean" don't see how the regal plaza is that style, but whatever.  my point is developers in that part of town should strive to match their neighbors across the street.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

At first it looked dense, then I realized the only thing dense was the architect.

Don't trust the promises of an architect or developer who can't spell "elevation."

That was probably the renderer's fault...not the architect.

Buck stops somewhere. I don't trust bad spellers. And perky people. And canadians.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by inteller
 and BTW, I see nothing Art Deco about this....and I'm sick of prairie style being some defining characteristic of Tulsa.  Prairie style has NEVER held historical signifigance in Tulsa.  Only in recent years have developers slapped on that cliche roof style.  10 years ago you'd be hard pressed to find that **** in Tulsa.

I was thinking the exact same thing.  What if anything, is Art Deco in this development?  Art Deco is becoming just another brand positioning name, the way "Tuscan," "Mediterranean," and "upscale" already are.  A developer takes some minute item out of context and throws it in the development, and suddenly it's Art Deco?  I just hope crap like this doesn't start being considered actual Art Deco, because that will have a negative impact on the significance of real Art Deco buildings, like we have downtown.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Kenosha

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

At first it looked dense, then I realized the only thing dense was the architect.

Don't trust the promises of an architect or developer who can't spell "elevation."

That was probably the renderer's fault...not the architect.

Buck stops somewhere. I don't trust bad spellers. And perky people. And canadians.

. . . and the Dutch!

[dsjeffries]

quote:a comfortable, pedestrian oriented "Main Street" theme including a public plaza space

I want to know where this Main Street - ish element is in that monstrosity...

And to echo earlier comments, where's the art deco?



What's really amusing, aside from this dense, Main Street thing is that there is an actual creek (or what appears to be one) that runs through the development, and probably the one for which is was named, and NOTHING faces it except the backs of buildings and a parking lot.

[inteller]

that back building looks a WHOLE lot like a Whole Foods.  If that ends up being the case I know a certain developer that has a huge helping of crow to eat.

i'll also say that that looks eerily like the defunct South Towne Square plan.  Bumgarner is no where near this plan right?

[joiei]

Whole foods is not coming here by choice.  The inability to sell wine by the bottle in the store is the major stumbling block.  That is where they make sssssssoooooooooooooooo much of their monies.  It will not be a Trader Joes either.