Tulsa, Cornerstone Creek Development

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by joiei

Whole foods is not coming here by choice.  The inability to sell wine by the bottle in the store is the major stumbling block.  That is where they make sssssssoooooooooooooooo much of their monies.  It will not be a Trader Joes either.

Well, whether they like it or not, they're already IN Tulsa... Wild Oats @ 41st & Peoria was sold to WF.  The outside sign hasn't changed but the products (& prices) have.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by DScott28604

quote:Originally posted by joiei

Whole foods is not coming here by choice.  The inability to sell wine by the bottle in the store is the major stumbling block.  That is where they make sssssssoooooooooooooooo much of their monies.  It will not be a Trader Joes either.

Well, whether they like it or not, they're already IN Tulsa... Wild Oats @ 41st & Peoria was sold to WF.  The outside sign hasn't changed but the products (& prices) have.

Whole Foods has owned the nation-wide Wild Oats chain since August of 2007.  Before that they operated for several years as separate entities with the same supply and distribution chain.  

Essentially they have been the same company for years, but just haven't put all of the money in the same bag.

[inteller]

the only reason I say Whole foods is that a similiar building outline was in the STS proposal and whole foods was the target there.

I think if WF looks at their peoria store they see it does just fine without liquor sales.  I think it is pretty hypocritical for a nature foods store to stay away from tulsa because it cant sell booze.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

I think it is pretty hypocritical for a nature foods store to stay away from tulsa because it cant sell booze.

+1

[TheArtist]

Especially when all you have to do is stick a liquor store right next door. There is a locally owned one by the Wild Oats on Peoria and there is one next door to where the Market was on Yale.

[Kashmir]

The Bodega (by the old Market) is HANDS DOWN the best liquor store in Tulsa (in my experience...)  We order 2 cases from him @ Christmas every year and everything is always great....not to mention various shopping on a regular basis.  The owner is highly knowledgeable [] and will tell you if something sucks, or he will ask what your tastes are and come up with something good.  He even took back a bottle we bought b/c the cork was messed up, no reciept, but b/c he knew us.  GREAT PLACE!

[cannon_fodder]

Then again, it's pretty stupid to not allow grocery stores to sell liquor when we would allow them to open one up right next door (owned and operated by the same people).  It is a response to a dumb law, be it smart response or not.  Maybe they figure if our laws make them jump through an extra hoop on this one...
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Anyway, the more I look over the plans the more I feel vindicated.  This is just a collection of retail stores surrounded by parking. It has zero interest for me.

[Kashmir]

Right on Inteller.  That's like a Smoke Shop in a drugstore parking lot.

If a Whole Foods opened up there, my head would literally blow off into a thousand pieces.

But probably not.

Maybe Whole Foods can open a booze store next door called "Whole Barrel"  "Whole Kegger" or "Whole 40"

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Then again, it's pretty stupid to not allow grocery stores to sell liquor when we would allow them to open one up right next door (owned and operated by the same people).  It is a response to a dumb law, be it smart response or not.  Maybe they figure if our laws make them jump through an extra hoop on this one...
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Anyway, the more I look over the plans the more I feel vindicated.  This is just a collection of retail stores surrounded by parking. It has zero interest for me.

No shopping along that strip is going to be something other than a collection of retail stores surrounded by parking. Even something like Utica Square over there would end up being same ol same ol because it would just be yet one more collection of shops lost in an endless sea of more collections of shops, whatever their configuration. That part of town isnt really conducive to having a place that is "stand out" and unique. The development with the Event Center has a chance to be something once its completed. But really it will take those areas decades to evolve, infill and grow into real "places".  But, even Utica Square was nothing all that special when it was itself new, suburban sprawl in the middle of a plain empty area. Only time will tell which shopping area takes off and evolves into something more or goes the way of many a run down shopping center in say, far east Tulsa.

[Stone]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20110614_32_E1_Threey231559

looks like this project is getting started! The article states it will take 12-14 weeks to complete. I think that is a little ambitous myself.

[ZYX]

I live about a mile away and it has finally started. It appears they're building a Lifetime fitness.

[rdj]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=32&articleid=20110614_32_E1_Threey231559

looks like this project is getting started! The article states it will take 12-14 weeks to complete. I think that is a little ambitous myself.

That was a misprint.  The developer shared with me that the Lifetime Fitness building will be a pre-fab building primarily built off-site then brought in and assembled.  Looking at twelve to fourteen months.

A Whole Foods won't go here, however, that isn't for a lack of trying.  A chain organic/speciality/Whole Foods type grocer will be going into this development.  They are also in talks with several well known midtown/downtown restauranters to  bring their concepts to the development.

[Stone]

I live a few miles from there myself. It is something south Tulsa has desperately needed. Lifetime Fitness is the bomb!!

[SXSW]

Speaking of Trader Joe's, I went to one in Nashville last weekend and noticed they can't sell wine in their stores either.  Tennessee Law.  They can sell strong beer though.