Who Is Really Going To Stop The War???

[Conan71]

Sounds like Obama is backing up:

"Power's comments about Iraq came in an interview with the BBC. She said Obama's position is that withdrawing all U.S. troops within 16 months is a "best-case scenario" that he will revisit if he becomes president.

"He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator," she said. "He will rely upon a plan — an operational plan — that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn't have daily access now, as a result of not being the president."

Obama has actually shortened his original 16-month commitment to say he'll end the war in 2009. Obama advisers say President Bush's plan to draw troops down to 15 brigades this year means Obama could complete the removal in a year.

In Mississippi, Clinton questioned the Iraq comments based on Obama's public statements.

"He has attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date, and now we learn he doesn't have one, in fact he doesn't have a plan at all," Clinton told reporters while campaigning in Mississippi. Her campaign sent out a fundraising appeal based on the Power's resignation.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Obama's plan to draw down approximately two brigades a month upon becoming president is "a rock solid commitment."

Plouffe noted that one of Clinton's military supporters, retired Gen. Jack Keane, said last week that she would not remove troops immediately upon taking office."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/obama_adviser

[YoungTulsan]

They are all the same person.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

They are all the same person.

isn't that what those 60 some odd thousand Florida a**holes that voted for Nader in the 2000 election said?

look how that turned out.

[RecycleMichael]

What? We are at war?

[USRufnex]

"Iraq is sort of a situation where you've got a guy who drove the bus into the ditch. You obviously have to get the bus out of the ditch, and that's not easy to do, although you probably should fire the driver." - Barack Obama

"In the end, no amount of American forces can solve the political differences that lie at the heart of somebody else's civil war." - Barack Obama

... ah, politics.

I think foreign policy could be his strongest suit... I'm disappointed over Hillary Clinton's surge in the polls; I fear it means she'd be able to demand the VP slot if Obama goes on to the nomination.  I kinda had hopes for an Obama/General Zinni ticket in the fall...

I could easily see an Obama administration that would include Chuck Hagel, maybe even Colin Powell... and would naturally include his mentor, Dick Lugar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE9b49qs5tE&NR=1

[FOTD]

He will give the order within 09 and it will take time to exit safely while keeping and protecting the embassy.

McCain will throw fits that we're not winning the war. He's got an emotional problem with his temper. Not the type you want on alcohol while making decisions.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

He will give the order within 09 and it will take time to exit safely while keeping and protecting the embassy.

McCain will throw fits that we're not winning the war. He's got an emotional problem with his temper. Not the type you want on alcohol while making decisions.

Looking at personal issues (like Mccain's supposed "temper") is just ignoring the cold hard fact that just about every politician is bought and paid for, and ultimately beholden to the interests of the Council on Foreign Relations.

What we need is a candidate that represents the PEOPLE, not the CFR and corporate interests.  Mccain and Obama and Clinton (and Giuliani, Huckabee, Romney, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and Biden) are all the same person with small differences intended to divide and conquer the stupid ignorant masses who are oblivious to their scheme.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

He will give the order within 09 and it will take time to exit safely while keeping and protecting the embassy.

McCain will throw fits that we're not winning the war. He's got an emotional problem with his temper. Not the type you want on alcohol while making decisions.

Looking at personal issues (like Mccain's supposed "temper") is just ignoring the cold hard fact that just about every politician is bought and paid for, and ultimately beholden to the interests of the Council on Foreign Relations.

What we need is a candidate that represents the PEOPLE, not the CFR and corporate interests.  Mccain and Obama and Clinton (and Giuliani, Huckabee, Romney, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and Biden) are all the same person with small differences intended to divide and conquer the stupid ignorant masses who are oblivious to their scheme.

His legendary temper is not "supposed". I was reading about McCain 10 years ago when I thought he had more integrity than was advertised (I was wrong). In a state filled with Native Americans and Hispanics he often yelled at and berated them in the halls of his statehouse. These were his constituents whether they voted for him or not and he was known to mistreat them publicly.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

He will give the order within 09 and it will take time to exit safely while keeping and protecting the embassy.

McCain will throw fits that we're not winning the war. He's got an emotional problem with his temper. Not the type you want on alcohol while making decisions.

Domestic issues will supercede foreign politics in the years to come if we can coral the MIC.

Looking at personal issues (like Mccain's supposed "temper") is just ignoring the cold hard fact that just about every politician is bought and paid for, and ultimately beholden to the interests of the Council on Foreign Relations.

What we need is a candidate that represents the PEOPLE, not the CFR and corporate interests.  Mccain and Obama and Clinton (and Giuliani, Huckabee, Romney, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and Biden) are all the same person with small differences intended to divide and conquer the stupid ignorant masses who are oblivious to their scheme.

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD
Domestic issues will supercede foreign politics in the years to come if we can coral the MIC.

It isn't possible to corral the Military-Industrial Complex with any of the candidates available.  They are all the same person, with minor variations in how much of what program they support.

Any possible reduction of military spending abroad will just be converted into more big government enslavement at home.  The (available) Democrats won't kill the war machine in the meantime.  They'll support it just enough to keep it ready and waiting for the next Bush to come along, or better yet, the next "opportunity".

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

What? We are at war?

Much the way the Romans were at their zenith, yes.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins


Much the way the Romans were at their zenith, yes.

Except that most of our population is employed, we hold no conquered territories we depend on economically that are rebelling, our borders are not under military threat, and no internal threats to our statehood are threatening.

The Roman wars of expansion were to quick to assimilate new peoples, who eventually turned against them.  We largely exterminated our new peoples as we conquered Westward.  [B)]

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins


Much the way the Romans were at their zenith, yes.

Except that most of our population is employed, we hold no conquered territories we depend on economically that are rebelling, our borders are not under military threat, and no internal threats to our statehood are threatening.

T [B)]

Romans didn't have jobs?

No conquered territories we depend on economically rebelling? Well what about the middle east?

Its not a "conquered territory" by antiquity standards, but it is a region where we exert a great deal of our imperial influence for economic reasons, and one could argue that right now Iraq is a conquered territory, because we are occupying it.

Just the way I see it. We ARE a global empire, but in a modernized way. Doesn't mean we're the bad guys either, but we are the #1 force in the world, and we exert influence everywhere.

[shadows]

As our economy on the world trade stumbles to that of the world when the barter of exchanged is determined at the end of a gun barrel, like Rome the world has found our weakness.
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It is illustrated by the following copied off the internet:

As you may have heard the Bush Administration said each and everyone
of us would get a nice Rebate.

If we spend that money at Wal * Mart, all will go to China.
If we spend it on gasoline, all will go to the Arabs.
If we purchase a computer, all will go to India.
If we purchase fruit and vegetables, all will go to Mexico, Honduras & Guatemala.
If we purchase a good Car, all will go to Japan.
If we purchase useless crap, all will go to Taiwan.
None of it will help the American Economy!

We need to keep that money here in America. so the only way to keep the money
here at home, is to buy Beer and prostitutes, since those are the only businesses
still left in the, USA!

[altruismsuffers]

I'm voting Ron Paul...There is no question where he stands.