Elliot Spitzer......

[Conan71]

Nice spin.  Why don't you just admit you're a registered Democrat and you'd be doing an end zone dance if it were a Republican?

It's pretty much a given that any elected or appointed official who breaks the law deserves scorn.  

I think it makes it doubly bad when it's someone who has actually enforced laws regarding prostitution then turned around and used the services in another jurisdiction.  Also as governor he does have a responsibility to enforce laws on the books.  Sounds like this may just be the tip of the iceberg for Spitzer.  Don't be surprised if other prominent Dems get sucked into his corruption as well.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by hoodlum

yeah but is a major part of the Democratic platform protecting americans from the evils of prostitution like a major part of the republican platform is protecting americans from the "so-called" evils of homosexuality?

i don't believe that the fact that elliot is a democrat has anything to do with the story, i do believe that Craig and Foley being republicans has a lot to do with their individual stories as points to an apparent hypocrisy within a platform of a major political party.

So according to yours and FOTD's logic, being a Democrat makes it okay when you sneak around behind the backs of your wife and children to buy a piece of donkey, even after publicly prosecuting the trade, yes?

So it's somehow less of a crime or not such a big deal when a registered Democrat humiliates his entire family and a state by engaging in illegal activity with prostitutes?

Sheesh, if that makes it all kosher, why have I waited so long to register as a Democrat?

FWIW- 1 1/2 years later, still no criminal charges brought against Mark Foley.

I never said that it was ok to be an adulterer. Unless, the wifie doesn't care.[]

[FOTD]

Tore up over victimless crimes. Isn't our country wonderful. And they're building more prisons all the time to protect people from themselves.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

Why is someone's sex life relevant to their job as a public servant?  Sergeant Stanley Wojohowitz - a great American - once said that you can't open a Sears catalog without finding something someone wants to sleep with.  Does being privately kinky make any of us publicly incompetent?

Americans need to grow up and stop treating sex as a dirty, shameful act.  They need to get past the adolescent Beavis and Butthead snickering, and realize that our leaders are no less human as the rest of us.  

And if your idea of sex involves Craftsman power tools, well, enjoy yourself but try to keep the noise down.

The only person that needs to grow up is YOU. I cannot believe you are so naive that you cannot see what is at issue here. Prostitution rings, which are illegal by the way (in case you did not know) invariably have nefarious characters that are engaged in money laundering, tax evasion, perhaps violent crime and, oh yeah, BLACKMAIL. Spitzer is the governor of New York and, in this position, would be an ideal extortion target. This is about making smart choices--clearly he did not. Oh, try selling this "dirty shameful act" crap to his wife and three daughters.

Having a little rectal-cranial inversion, Ed?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Tore up over victimless crimes. Isn't our country wonderful. And they're building more prisons all the time to protect people from themselves.

Eh, you were pretty torn up with Larry Craig.  What was the exact headline?  Something along the lines of "Another Nasty Bad Boy Repug."  If the undercover agent in the other stall was into it, we'd probably have never known about it.  []

Point is, these people are entrusted with making and upholding our laws.  They should be a good example for all to follow.  We should expect no less out of them regardless of party affiliation.

I'm waiting to hear if Hillary might get implicated into some of Spitzer's other corruption issues which are being looked into.  That's something which ought to give you a real chubby if true.  Though the Clinton teflon will probably make it fall right off onto some minion's back.  It is NEVER Bill or Hillary's fault.

[FOTD]

Spitzer has not denied what he did. Craig can never fess up to being gay. He's a repug. Not a demorat.

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

The only person that needs to grow up is YOU. I cannot believe you are so naive that you cannot see what is at issue here. Prostitution rings, which are illegal by the way (in case you did not know) invariably have nefarious characters that are engaged in money laundering, tax evasion, perhaps violent crime and, oh yeah, BLACKMAIL.

I can see the rationale behind tax evasion when you're earning money through illegal means.  But the money laundering, 'perhaps' violent crime, and blackmail seem more in line with a juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination.  In all the prostitution busts I've heard of, these charges have never been pressed.

Ultimately, the solution is to legalize prostitution.  Bring it under government regulation so it can be taxed and made subject to inspection.  When the illegality is removed, the "money laundering, tax evasion, perhaps violent crime and, oh yeah, BLACKMAIL" no longer applies.

Of course, that implies having a reasonable, rational approach to sex, an approach that is sadly lacking in straight-laced America.

[RecycleMichael]

I think you all are missing the detail..."it was a high-class prostitute."

It reminds me of an old joke.

A husband and wife were having dinner in a posh restaurant when she noticed close friend Joe with an attractive woman at a nearby table. She asked her husband who the woman was. He said, "that was Joe's mistress".

The wife was shocked and started mumbling about how improper and immoral it all was. Suddenly, her husband was approached by a beautful woman who kissed him on the lips and walked away.

The wife demanded to know who the woman was. The husband explained that was "his mistress".

The wife then got real upset and said she wanted a divorce. The husband calmly replied, "But then, you will not have this wonderful life that I have provided you."  

The wife thought about it for a few seconds, then said, "Ours is prettier."

[we vs us]

Nope, Conan's right.  He should resign, and he should be prosecuted.  

And he's a hypocrite, of course.  He's made a career out of crusading against all sorts of wrongdoing -- prostitution included -- and you can't do that if you're morally compromised yourself.  Tis a shame, because I agreed with his politics and his progressivism, and thought that he took on the right people.  And he took them on, which is more than most Dems in power positions can say.  So, sad to see an important voice and a rising star commit hari kiri.  

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Nope, Conan's right.  He should resign, and he should be prosecuted.  

And he's a hypocrite, of course.  He's made a career out of crusading against all sorts of wrongdoing -- prostitution included -- and you can't do that if you're morally compromised yourself.  Tis a shame, because I agreed with his politics and his progressivism, and thought that he took on the right people.  And he took them on, which is more than most Dems in power positions can say.  So, sad to see an important voice and a rising star commit hari kiri.  

Prosecuted?  For being a john?  Okay, what about Vitter then?  Senator Vitter won't resign...should he?  Should he prosecuted?

What's fair?  Conan's wrong, the NY Times (which broke the story, incidentally) clearly mentions that he's a Democrat.  They also hit the hypocrite angle because Spitzer is a "crime and ethics" guy.  Seems like fair coverage to me.

He's a hypocrite, that's why it makes for interesting news.  Even so, Spitzer is no worse, and arguably better, than a "family-values" Republican with a diaper fetish who regularly called the DC Madam when he needed his nappy changed.  Vitter's flat-out gross, and if you have a problem with Spitzer, then you can't hold back on Vitter.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Nope, Conan's right.  He should resign, and he should be prosecuted.  

And he's a hypocrite, of course.  He's made a career out of crusading against all sorts of wrongdoing -- prostitution included -- and you can't do that if you're morally compromised yourself.  Tis a shame, because I agreed with his politics and his progressivism, and thought that he took on the right people.  And he took them on, which is more than most Dems in power positions can say.  So, sad to see an important voice and a rising star commit hari kiri.  

Prosecuted?  For being a john?  Okay, what about Vitter then?  Senator Vitter won't resign...should he?  Should he prosecuted?

What's fair?  Conan's wrong, the NY Times (which broke the story, incidentally) clearly mentions that he's a Democrat.  They also hit the hypocrite angle because Spitzer is a "crime and ethics" guy.  Seems like fair coverage to me.

He's a hypocrite, that's why it makes for interesting news.  Even so, Spitzer is no worse, and arguably better, than a "family-values" Republican with a diaper fetish who regularly called the DC Madam when he needed his nappy changed.  Vitter's flat-out gross, and if you have a problem with Spitzer, then you can't hold back on Vitter.

Who said anything about holding back on Vitter?    I thought he'd crawled back into the heating ducts a long time ago.  But if there's a crime, he should do the time. And he should step down, too.

Conan's right in that Spitzer's a hypocrite.  I can't tell you whether it was mentioned that he was a D or not, and frankly I don't care.  I think keeping score in that way diverts from relevant issues here.  And really if you DO want to go there, R sex scandals outnumber D sex scandals by a pretty wide margin.  All's I'm saying is, I don't have patience for that kind of hypocrisy whether it's my side or the other guy's.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I think you all are missing the detail..."it was a high-class prostitute."

It reminds me of an old joke.

A husband and wife were having dinner in a posh restaurant when she noticed close friend Joe with an attractive woman at a nearby table. She asked her husband who the woman was. He said, "that was Joe's mistress".

The wife was shocked and started mumbling about how improper and immoral it all was. Suddenly, her husband was approached by a beautful woman who kissed him on the lips and walked away.

The wife demanded to know who the woman was. The husband explained that was "his mistress".

The wife then got real upset and said she wanted a divorce. The husband calmly replied, "But then, you will not have this wonderful life that I have provided you."  

The wife thought about it for a few seconds, then said, "Ours is prettier."

oh snap....that's a good one.

assume the position (on your knees)!

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Nope, Conan's right.  He should resign, and he should be prosecuted.  

And he's a hypocrite, of course.  He's made a career out of crusading against all sorts of wrongdoing -- prostitution included -- and you can't do that if you're morally compromised yourself.  Tis a shame, because I agreed with his politics and his progressivism, and thought that he took on the right people.  And he took them on, which is more than most Dems in power positions can say.  So, sad to see an important voice and a rising star commit hari kiri.  

Prosecuted?  For being a john?  Okay, what about Vitter then?  Senator Vitter won't resign...should he?  Should he prosecuted?

What's fair?  Conan's wrong, the NY Times (which broke the story, incidentally) clearly mentions that he's a Democrat.  They also hit the hypocrite angle because Spitzer is a "crime and ethics" guy.  Seems like fair coverage to me.

He's a hypocrite, that's why it makes for interesting news.  Even so, Spitzer is no worse, and arguably better, than a "family-values" Republican with a diaper fetish who regularly called the DC Madam when he needed his nappy changed.  Vitter's flat-out gross, and if you have a problem with Spitzer, then you can't hold back on Vitter.

FWIW, the story I linked has been edited throughout the day.  When I initially linked to it, the story made no mention of Spitzer's political affiliation.

My personal belief is that someone who earned public trust and admiration by being tough on crime should not be participating in illegal acts.  Being tough on prostitution and organized crime were two things which helped get him elected as Governor.  

This deal is gaining traction and it's sounding more and more like he's toast with his Democrat bretheren.

I know very, very little of Vitter's situation and didn't read anything about diapers in that story.  Ironically, the story you cited says Mrs. Vitter is a former prosecutor.  You're right, it's an arguable point- it actually looks worse for Spitzer because he gained public trust by cracking down on the exact same criminal enterprise he was caught using.

Someone else had alluded to prostitution being a victimless crime.  That is incredibly naive.  Tell that to the parent, grandparent, sibling, child or friend of someone who has ventured down that path.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Nope, Conan's right.  He should resign, and he should be prosecuted.  

And he's a hypocrite, of course.  He's made a career out of crusading against all sorts of wrongdoing -- prostitution included -- and you can't do that if you're morally compromised yourself.  Tis a shame, because I agreed with his politics and his progressivism, and thought that he took on the right people.  And he took them on, which is more than most Dems in power positions can say.  So, sad to see an important voice and a rising star commit hari kiri.  

Prosecuted?  For being a john?  Okay, what about Vitter then?  Senator Vitter won't resign...should he?  Should he prosecuted?

What's fair?  Conan's wrong, the NY Times (which broke the story, incidentally) clearly mentions that he's a Democrat.  They also hit the hypocrite angle because Spitzer is a "crime and ethics" guy.  Seems like fair coverage to me.

He's a hypocrite, that's why it makes for interesting news.  Even so, Spitzer is no worse, and arguably better, than a "family-values" Republican with a diaper fetish who regularly called the DC Madam when he needed his nappy changed.  Vitter's flat-out gross, and if you have a problem with Spitzer, then you can't hold back on Vitter.

Who said anything about holding back on Vitter?    I thought he'd crawled back into the heating ducts a long time ago.  But if there's a crime, he should do the time. And he should step down, too.

Conan's right in that Spitzer's a hypocrite.  I can't tell you whether it was mentioned that he was a D or not, and frankly I don't care.  I think keeping score in that way diverts from relevant issues here.  And really if you DO want to go there, R sex scandals outnumber D sex scandals by a pretty wide margin.  All's I'm saying is, I don't have patience for that kind of hypocrisy whether it's my side or the other guy's.

I don't think we should expect more or less out of a politician's personal or business ethics based on party affiliation.  Who really gives two ****s about which party has had more sex scandals?  Why is the party affiliation even relevant?

As tax payers and citizens, we should collectively be pissed off at the corruption, fraud, waste, and moral turpitude which rips us off daily.

[YoungTulsan]

Democrat this, Republican that.. You guys are getting screwed and you don't even realize it.