Elliot Spitzer......

[RecycleMichael]

I think it matters that he was the governor. Any elected leader is sworn to uphold the law...now an ordinary Joe...he would be slightly different.

I also think being married makes a difference. If he is unfaithful to his wife, he is untrustworthy for other things as well.

I also think that because he had prosecuted prostitution before makes a difference. He surely made the argument in a court of law what prostitution does to other parts of society.

If he was an Ordinary Joe, single, and had no knowledge of the societal effects, it would still be wrong to me. I wouldn't condone it, but wouldn't condemn it either.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Well here's your "juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination":

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,4637246.story

So he paid out over $10,000 and broke it down into smaller amounts to avoid the bank reporting him to the IRS, and the bank reported him ANYWAY?  Doesn't that strike you as wrong?  

We're living in a police state.

My buddy in the banking business says banks are required to report you if it is obvious you are trying to avoid the $10,000 limit by simply breaking up the payments to avoid the $10,000 limit.  

So, blame the banks all you want, but it is their responsibility to report.  Don't want the law in place, change the law.

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Ed, whatever happens the people deserve what they get. Weak leaders who are never held accountable. Bush butchered the Constitution and like sheep the people let him have his way. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

I know I've contributed to topic creep here, and for that I apologize.

We elect our public officials in part because they offer a glowing, righteous image as honest men and women truly devoted to public service.  Yet in our hearts we know that in private they're just like the rest of us,subjected to the same seven deadly sins and just as apt to yield to them.  We pretend that our leaders are better, and we're 'shocked' when they're not.  So we voters are partly to blame since we have unrealistic expectations.

I'm familiar with the adage that people get the kind of government they deserve.  We have an authoritarian, almost Fascist administration in power.  I say almost Fascist because it doesn't believe that all the people's needs are secondary to the state's; only the poor and middle class.  What's disturbing is the number of people who readily agree that this is a good way to run a government.  

[FOTD]

I never had unrealistic expectations of Shrub. I realisticly expected a complete failure at the hands of a dry drunk.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

I never had unrealistic expectations of Shrub. I realisticly expected a complete failure at the hands of a dry drunk.

Agreed.  GWBush has been an abysmal failure as president.

He has lead the country, our military, and the Republic Party merrily off of a cliff.

A trillion dollars in treasure, 4,000 service members killed, thousands more maimed, and future $ Billions in liability for military retirees and disabled for the next 60 years.

He was successful in his core missions of helping protect his family's closely nurtured relationship with the Saud Family, so that the Saud Family can continue to fund thousands of Madrassahs, Mosques, and Imams world-wide, spewing their Wahhabist version of hate-filled intolerant Islam for the past 8 years of his presidency.

Despite our worn-out military killing mountains of jihadists, there are actually MORE jihadists fighting against the U.S. NOW than there were BEFORE the Iraq War.

That's hardly progress.

Iraq was a secular side-show, neutered by the 1991 war.  Even the Pentagon study released yesterday said there were NO CONNECTION between Sadaam's Regime, his military or his intelligence services and Al Queda.  NONE.

Saudi Arabia is the core problem in the war against Islamic Fundamentalism.

So, naturally GW Bush attacks Iraq.

And, there is that corollary benefit, hardly an accident, of inducing the threat of scarcity of oil, shooting it above $100 per barrel to aid both our enemies (Russia, Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia), and the multi-national oil companies that put him in the Presidency.

He has also caused the death of his own political party.  

A miserable, pathetic President.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Well here's your "juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination":

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,4637246.story

So he paid out over $10,000 and broke it down into smaller amounts to avoid the bank reporting him to the IRS, and the bank reported him ANYWAY?  Doesn't that strike you as wrong?  

We're living in a police state.

yes this is pretty ****ed up.  The fact that law abiding citizens have to report transfers of $10k+ is ****ed up.  So if I want to move $10k+ from one account to another to prepare for a car purchase I have to tell the government?  **** that!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Well here's your "juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination":

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,4637246.story

So he paid out over $10,000 and broke it down into smaller amounts to avoid the bank reporting him to the IRS, and the bank reported him ANYWAY?  Doesn't that strike you as wrong?  

We're living in a police state.

yes this is pretty ****ed up.  The fact that law abiding citizens have to report transfers of $10k+ is ****ed up.  So if I want to move $10k+ from one account to another to prepare for a car purchase I have to tell the government?  **** that!

It is not the reporting of the transaction that caused Mr. Spitzer the problem.

It was the INTENT of the transfer to conceal its true purpose.

You could transfer $100,000 in cash to buy something.  It would be reported.  If the cash transaction was legitimate, then there is no foul.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Well here's your "juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination":

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,4637246.story

So he paid out over $10,000 and broke it down into smaller amounts to avoid the bank reporting him to the IRS, and the bank reported him ANYWAY?  Doesn't that strike you as wrong?  

We're living in a police state.

My buddy in the banking business says banks are required to report you if it is obvious you are trying to avoid the $10,000 limit by simply breaking up the payments to avoid the $10,000 limit.  

So, blame the banks all you want, but it is their responsibility to report.  Don't want the law in place, change the law.

This is exactly the point.

[Conan71]

He's done.

Curious what $1000 per hour buys when top of the line is $5500?

"His credibility was in tatters both among Republicans and fellow Democrats after FBI wiretaps recorded him arranging a liaison at Washington's Mayflower Hotel with a $1,000-an-hour prostitute named "Kristin." "

[bokworker]

What a $1000 bucks buys....

http://www.nystocktrader.com/kristen.jpg

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Well here's your "juicy movie-of-the-week powered by an over-active imagination":

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stspitzerbank0312,0,4637246.story

So he paid out over $10,000 and broke it down into smaller amounts to avoid the bank reporting him to the IRS, and the bank reported him ANYWAY?  Doesn't that strike you as wrong?  

We're living in a police state.

yes this is pretty ****ed up.  The fact that law abiding citizens have to report transfers of $10k+ is ****ed up.  So if I want to move $10k+ from one account to another to prepare for a car purchase I have to tell the government?  **** that!

It is not the reporting of the transaction that caused Mr. Spitzer the problem.

It was the INTENT of the transfer to conceal its true purpose.

You could transfer $100,000 in cash to buy something.  It would be reported.  If the cash transaction was legitimate, then there is no foul.

Bottom line is if Spitzer hadn't been engaging the services of prostitutes, none of this would have happened.

There's no way to whitewash it or absolve it based on party affiliation.  He ****ed up, it cost him his job.  Pure and simple.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by bokworker

What a $1000 bucks buys....

http://www.nystocktrader.com/kristen.jpg

eba dee ba dee ba dee

Do I hear $1200?? $1200?? Anyone??

Sold for $1000 to the esteemed Governor!

She's not bad looking, makes you wonder if that's strictly a latex transaction.

[cannon_fodder]

I must say I've spent $1,000 in worse ways.  Ever heard of Syntroleum?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder



I must say I've spent $1,000 in worse ways.  Ever heard of Syntroleum?

You haven't given up on Syntroleum yet have you?  I'd stick it out awhile longer and see what this jt. venture w/ Tyson does for them.  No earthly idea if their coal to light-ends is ever going to be feasible.  I'm not sure where the breakpoint is for it to be cheaper than simply refining light ends from crude.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm not giving up, but soon I won't even have the choice.  They are getting de-listed as their value has dropped blow $70mil for the requisite 10 day average after notice.  They are also abandoning R&D for the most part and focusing on their Tyson deal.

Should have bought more into oil, strip mining and alcohol. Those never lose, dang alternative energies.

Back back to the hot hooker...