Rep. Kern's Statements

[mrhaskellok]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

Why would you claim that this is a day of silence to "promote homosexual behavior?"  Did you read the link?  This is a day to protest the discrimination and hate crimes perpetrated against homosexuals.  As a Christian, how could you not support that?  If it is truly about the lifestyle, and not about the person, than don't you have to insist that acts of violence against homosexuals are wrong and immoral?  Aren't random acts of baseless violence always something that good Christians deplore?  Your statement is the kind of thing that leads people to conclude that this is really about hate, not about religious belief.

I said, I couldn't care less... I was providing the link so that people can see what Kern is upset about.  
I did read the link, I read a great deal of the web-site.  The logical point that I making is 1) is HER religious beliefs do not allow tolerance of homosexual behavior then 2) SHE is not going to like this Day of Silence.
No, sorry you are very wrong...being nice to homosexuals is not going to be a common "Christian" motto.  I agree it should be but it wont be.  Sorry if you misunderstood my comment or it was vague.  

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

Just curious, but did Kerns say anything that was untrue?
I can't see the video here at work, so I don't know or remember all she said. The few stats I could find seem to concur with what she said.

Also, why is it that when someone says something that is truthful about someone it's considered hate, but when the other person says something awful back, it's not?

Hate crimes or speech are generally determined to be such because the speech or action attacks a group of people because they are part of a group that shares some point of distinction, i.e. race, religion, orientation, height, ability etc.

If you are attacked for something you say, that is due to a tangible action on your part, not because you are member of some social group or class and therefore not considered to be a "hate" crime or speech.

So perversion falls under which catagory "ability" or "orientation" ?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

Just curious, but did Kerns say anything that was untrue?
I can't see the video here at work, so I don't know or remember all she said. The few stats I could find seem to concur with what she said.

Also, why is it that when someone says something that is truthful about someone it's considered hate, but when the other person says something awful back, it's not?

Hate crimes or speech are generally determined to be such because the speech or action attacks a group of people because they are part of a group that shares some point of distinction, i.e. race, religion, orientation, height, ability etc.

If you are attacked for something you say, that is due to a tangible action on your part, not because you are member of some social group or class and therefore not considered to be a "hate" crime or speech.

So perversion falls under which catagory "ability" or "orientation" ?

I personally would consider it perverted to be obsessed with what consenting adults other than yourself are doing in the bedroom.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

Just curious, but did Kerns say anything that was untrue?
I can't see the video here at work, so I don't know or remember all she said. The few stats I could find seem to concur with what she said.

Also, why is it that when someone says something that is truthful about someone it's considered hate, but when the other person says something awful back, it's not?

Hate crimes or speech are generally determined to be such because the speech or action attacks a group of people because they are part of a group that shares some point of distinction, i.e. race, religion, orientation, height, ability etc.

If you are attacked for something you say, that is due to a tangible action on your part, not because you are member of some social group or class and therefore not considered to be a "hate" crime or speech.

So perversion falls under which catagory "ability" or "orientation" ?

I personally would consider it perverted to be obsessed with what consenting adults other than yourself are doing in the bedroom.

And in another 20 years people will wonder why some have a problem about others having an under 16yr old in their bedroom []

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake


I personally would consider it perverted to be obsessed with what consenting adults other than yourself are doing in the bedroom.

Give that man a cigar, best definition I've ever heard for that word.

[Wingnut]

quote: No. Articles from Scaife sources aren't hard news.

What in ignorant statement!

Is this better??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-23-Genderschools_N.htm

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/family/78890.php

Are you saying this isn't news or didn't happen because it's on a conservative news website? I guess all the lawsuits aren't happening either.
WND is a top rated news website. At least I don't get my info from the National Inquirer or the World Weekly News!

Even the gay lobby said they lied about its impact when it was being considered and then said it really will ban certain gender terms!
But I guess that doesn't count since it's a conservative website that reported actual news.

quote: I personally would consider it perverted to be obsessed with what consenting adults other than yourself are doing in the bedroom.

Right! Why is it important that homosexuality be brought up anyway?? Why do I or anyone else need to know if someone is gay or not?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by swake


I personally would consider it perverted to be obsessed with what consenting adults other than yourself are doing in the bedroom.

Give that man a cigar, best definition I've ever heard for that word.

Agreed. But the issue does not end there. What is the deal with this story out of Illinois and a certain book given to high schoolers?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030704.html

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

What in ignorant statement!

'Tis not.[]

quote:Is this better??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-23-Genderschools_N.htm

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/family/78890.php

Yes much, thanks.  One is a news article and one is an opinion piece.  I like to be able to tell the difference.  Your WND articles are a mish-mash of selective facts and thinly-vieled opinion, posing as a news article.

quote:WND is a top rated news website.

By whom?

quote:At least I don't get my info from the National Inquirer or the World Weekly News!

Those pubs can be entertaining, and there's nothing wrong with that.  I'm sure there are a few people that think that Batboy roams their neighborhood at night, but most people just get a kick out of the titillating headlines.

In that sense, how is "'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California" any different?  

"CALIFORNIA SCHEMIN' Next on school agenda: Teaching communism
Family advocate: 'Just when we thought
indoctrination couldn't get any worse'

You are telling me that what follows this overly-wordy to the point of milking it headline is news?  Gimme a break.

Like I said, I don't post "articles" from Daily Kos.  Why?  Because they aren't articles, they are biased opinion pieces.  Incidentally, they don't pretend to be anything other than that.  The fact that they happen to cater to my biases is immaterial.

WND is busy creating liberal charicatures that are about as nuanced as Batboy.  It's fine, it's fun.  But it is definitely not hard news.

[PonderInc]

I think that what Ms. Kern was trying to say is that the biggest threat we face--the source of all the problems in the world--is the possibility that too many people might love and respect each other in too many various ways.

Which is odd, b/c I always thought our greatest problem might be ignorance and fear...

[Conan71]

Hey, if a legislator has those views, that's their business.  I would simply appreciate it if they would quit commenting on it in their "official capacity."

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Agreed. But the issue does not end there. What is the deal with this story out of Illinois and a certain book given to high schoolers?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08030704.html

Hmm.  I'll agree that "Angels in America" is probably inappropriate for high school students, but calling a Pulitzer Prize winning play "Graphic, Profane and Vulgar Homosexual Porn" is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.  It's about as stupid as when I was in middle school and my church circulated a petition against the movie version of "The Last Temptation of Christ."  It made all sorts a literalist claims about Jesus having sex with Mary Magdelen, etc, etc... I, of course, rented the movie out years later when I was in college and, other than Willem Dafoe making a pretty boring version of Jesus, I didn't see what the fuss was all about...

IMO, the self serving publicity hounds of the North Shore Student Advocacy are notorious....

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/news/830193,5_1_WA07_GAYPORN_S1.article

quote:North Shore Student Advocacy called for School District 113 Superintendent George Fornero, Deerfield High School Principal Sue Hobson, and all involved teachers to resign or be fired by the School Board.

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/deerfield/news/839688,de-angeledit-031308-s1.article

quote:The methods employed by North Shore Student Advocacy are unpalatable to us. Their actions, such as sending out press releases filled with excerpts taken out of context and inflammatory verbiage to media outlets everywhere, accentuate disharmony, contentiousness and self-righteous indignation.

Their methods divide and provoke, rather than build understanding and dialogue. And ironically, they seem most successful at elevating interest in the very work they are attacking. What student will not now want to read "Angels in America?"

We would like to see both groups back off this seemingly annual ideological clash, put students first, and let them pursue their education outside the intrusive glare of media lights.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by mrhaskellok



Do you think I think that her comments were racist?  

You were trying to give the impression that her comments were somehow equal to that of racism with the here are some quotes of other "KKK" like people.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

James,

I have attended religious affiliated schools for 15 years of my life (public schools for another 6).

snip...



If you can say the same, I welcome further discussions with you. If not, please feel free to rant and rave with the understanding that I will not be responding.

You are either a liar about your biblical knowledge,you didn't paid attention about the bible,you didn't retained any knowledge of what you learned or you hoped the only bible verses someone else read was john 3:16,the ten commandments and the story of Adam and Eve so that they couldn't see through your deception.Your blatant deception in the previous post riddled with sarcasm proved that one of those assumptions is correct.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean

To:  mrhaskellok

Re:  KKK reference

I started that reference.  It has nothing to do with Kern's ideology about race;  it has everything to do with her logic.

Both Kern and the KKK spew hate against other people, not based upon their merits as a human being, but upon a trait.  

"Hate is great!"  
--Not Jesus

Kerns views have nothing to do with hate.It is a fact that gays are infiltrating our schools,trying to indoctrinate children with gay fairy childrens tales,gay pbs specials and other stuff.The only ones spewing the same level of hatred as the KKK are the gays and homosexual apologist who have a problem with what she says.When you have all these people trying to indoctrinate our children into tolerating and accepting the homosexual lifestyle and making death threats against her it kind of proves her point about homosexuality being a bigger threat than Islam.


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4444956&page=1
An Oklahoma state representative has received thousands of hostile e-mail messages after she said that homosexuality is a bigger threat to national security than terrorism.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is investigating more than 17,000 mostly hostile e-mails that were sent to State Rep. Sally Kern after parts of a speech she gave to a Republican organization earlier this year were posted on YouTube, said bureau spokeswoman Jessica Brown. Listen to portions of the speech.

snip....


Brown, the spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the agency was reviewing the growing number of e-mails sent to Kern to determine if any of them could be considered legally threatening.

"If I say I'm going to kill you, that's a threat. If I say I hope you die, that's not," she said.

She said the agency may contact some of the people who sent the e-mails.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/14/america/NA-GEN-US-Lawmaker-Gay-Rant.php
OKLAHOMA CITY: A YouTube audio clip of an Oklahoma lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats rolling in.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/15/MN53VK89A.DTL
A YouTube audio clip of a state lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats.

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by CoffeeBean

To:  mrhaskellok

Re:  KKK reference

I started that reference.  It has nothing to do with Kern's ideology about race;  it has everything to do with her logic.

Both Kern and the KKK spew hate against other people, not based upon their merits as a human being, but upon a trait.  

"Hate is great!"  
--Not Jesus

Kerns views have nothing to do with hate.It is a fact that gays are infiltrating our schools,trying to indoctrinate children with gay fairy childrens tales,gay pbs specials and other stuff.The only ones spewing the same level of hatred as the KKK are the gays and homosexual apologist who have a problem with what she says.When you have all these people trying to indoctrinate our children into tolerating and accepting the homosexual lifestyle and making death threats against her it kind of proves her point about homosexuality being a bigger threat than Islam.


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4444956&page=1
An Oklahoma state representative has received thousands of hostile e-mail messages after she said that homosexuality is a bigger threat to national security than terrorism.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is investigating more than 17,000 mostly hostile e-mails that were sent to State Rep. Sally Kern after parts of a speech she gave to a Republican organization earlier this year were posted on YouTube, said bureau spokeswoman Jessica Brown. Listen to portions of the speech.

snip....


Brown, the spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the agency was reviewing the growing number of e-mails sent to Kern to determine if any of them could be considered legally threatening.

"If I say I'm going to kill you, that's a threat. If I say I hope you die, that's not," she said.

She said the agency may contact some of the people who sent the e-mails.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/14/america/NA-GEN-US-Lawmaker-Gay-Rant.php
OKLAHOMA CITY: A YouTube audio clip of an Oklahoma lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats rolling in.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/15/MN53VK89A.DTL
A YouTube audio clip of a state lawmaker's screed against homosexuality, which she called a bigger threat than terrorism, has outraged gay activists and brought death threats.

Could you please provide some facts to back up your statements re: "gay indoctrination"?

Plus, the whole death threat claim has already been proven to be false by the OBI, and even Ms. Kern conceded there were no actual threats days ago.