Rep. Kern's Statements

[rwarn17588]

<jamesrage writes:

Kerns views have nothing to do with hate.It is a fact that gays are infiltrating our schools,trying to indoctrinate children with gay fairy childrens tales,gay pbs specials and other stuff.The only ones spewing the same level of hatred as the KKK are the gays and homosexual apologist who have a problem with what she says.When you have all these people trying to indoctrinate our children into tolerating and accepting the homosexual lifestyle and making death threats against her it kind of proves her point about homosexuality being a bigger threat than Islam.

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Um, no.

It doesn't prove the point at all (especially when the so-called point is loaded with punctuation errors, but I digress).

There was a report a few days ago that the state police said the so-called death threats weren't death threats. If there were death threats, someone would be arrested. To date, no one has been.

All homosexuals are asking for are the same rights as everyone else. You know ... like black people asked for in the 1950s and '60s. This isn't an agenda as much as asking for basic human rights and decency.

So when someone comes out saying that homosexuality is "more dangerous than Islam" and other unhinged statements, it shouldn't be surprising if people of ALL stripes get p*ssed.

So, again, what is so dangerous about people being more accepting of homosexuality?

And how is this more dangerous than radical Islam, which actually wants to KILL and put others under totalitarian rule?

You and others have been dodging these questions for days, and I still haven't heard what would be called lucid and logical answers.

[okiebybirth]

A Letter to Oklahoma Rep. Sally Kern, from 18-Year-Old Tucker

Article Date: 03/13/2008

By Tucker


Rep Kern:

On April 19, 1995 in Oklahoma City, a terrorist detonated a bomb that killed my mother and 167 others. Nineteen children died that day. Had I not had the chicken pox that day, the body count would've likely have included one more. Over 800 other Oklahomans were injured that day and many of those still suffer through their permanent wounds.

That terrorist was neither a homosexual nor was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.

As you were not a resident of Oklahoma on that day, it could be explained why you so carelessly chose words saying that the homosexual agenda is worse than terrorism. I can most certainly tell you through my own experience that is not true. I am sure there are many people in your voting district that laid a loved one to death after the terrorist attack on Oklahoma City. I kind of doubt you'll find one of them that will agree with you.

I was five years old when my mother died. I remember what a beautiful, wise and remarkable woman she was. I miss her. Your harsh words and misguided beliefs brought me to tears, because you told me that my mother's killer was a better person than a group of people who are seeking safety and tolerance for themselves.

As someone left motherless and victimized by terrorists, I say to you very clearly you are absolutely wrong. You represent a district in Oklahoma City and you very coldly express a lack of love, sympathy or understanding for what they've been through. Can I ask if you might have chosen wiser words were you a real Oklahoman that was here to share the suffering with Oklahoma City? Might your heart be a bit less cold had you been around to see the small bodies of children being pulled out of rubble and carried away by weeping firemen?

I've spent 12 years in Oklahoma public schools and never once have I had anyone try to force a gay agenda on me. I have seen, however, many gay students beat up and there's never a day in school that has gone by when I haven't heard the word f****t slung at someone. I've been called gay slurs many times and they hurt and I am not even gay so I can just imagine how a real gay person feels. You were a school teacher and you have seen those things too. How could you care so little about the suffering of some of your students?

Let me tell you the result of your words in my school. Every openly gay and suspected gay in the school were having to walk together Monday for protection. They looked scared. They've already experienced enough hate and now your words gave other students even more motivation to sneer at them and call them names. Afterall, you are a teacher and a lawmaker, many young people have taken your words to heart. That happens when you assume a role of responsibility in your community. I seriously think before this week ends that some kids here will be going home bruised and bloody because of what you said.

I wish you could've met my mom. Maybe she could've guided you in how a real Christian should be acting and speaking.

I have not had a mother for nearly 13 years now and wonder if there were fewer people like you around, people with more love and tolerance in their hearts instead of strife, if my mom would be here to watch me graduate from high school this spring. Now she won't be there. So I'll be packing my things and leaving Oklahoma to go to college elsewhere and one day be a writer and I have no intentions to ever return here. I have no doubt that people like you will incite crazy people to build more bombs and kill more people again. I don't want to be here for that. I just can't go through that again.

You may just see me as a kid, but let me try to teach you something. The old saying is sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. Well, your words hurt me. Your words disrespected the memory of my mom. Your words can cause others to pick up sticks and stones and hurt others.

Sincerely, Tucker

[MDepr2007]

It's odd , back when I was in school we still said the prayer and God wasn't as forbidden. We also didn't have gays getting beat up either. Guys where mostly jealous in sort because the gay guy always had the hot chicks hanging around them.

So I wonder, did taking God out cause things to get uglier in school towards gays or is it because schools are more liberal thinking now?

[USRufnex]

So, if we re-instituted state sponsored prayer in schools, everything we be just peachy...

I don't think so.

http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/school_prayer_has_always_been.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3164811&page=1

[Wingnut]

quote: You and others have been dodging these questions for days, and I still haven't heard what would be called lucid and logical answers.

For what it's worth, I don't agree that gays are more of a threat than islam.

quote: Could you please provide some facts to back up your statements re: "gay indoctrination"?

http://www.mcpscurriculum.org/resources_parental_rights_violations.shtml
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/youth-and-schools/sex-ed-curriculum
http://www.tldm.org/News11/GaySchoolPlotUnveiled.htm


In other news...

quote: That terrorist was neither a homosexual nor was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.  

Sorry "Tucker", but Timmy was a backslidden Catholic and claimed to be agnostic, and never made any kind of mention that he killed because of his faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McVeigh
He was brainwashed by Nichols with anti-gov't rhetoric and was angry about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Why would "Tucker" make a claim that "an extremist Christian" did the deed when it wasn't??

quote: So, again, what is so dangerous about people being more accepting of homosexuality?  

If someone wants to do something in their own room, thats up to them and they'll have to answer to God for it.
I find it personally objectable and wholly unnatural. I'm offended that while we're watching tv as a family, we're inundated with commericals about shows with gay characters and situations and I don't care to have my kids exposed to the same.

Now answer my questions...
Why does homosexuality have to be publicized so much and taught in schools??
Why do I need to know if someone is gay?? Is it so I can give them some kind of special treatment?
I treat everyone the same. It seems that gays want to make an issue out of it, perhaps self proclaimed victimhood.
So much for "equality".

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage


You are either a liar about your biblical knowledge,you didn't paid attention about the bible,you didn't retained any knowledge of what you learned or you hoped the only bible verses someone else read was john 3:16,the ten commandments and the story of Adam and Eve so that they couldn't see through your deception.Your blatant deception in the previous post riddled with sarcasm proved that one of those assumptions is correct.

There was no sarcasm that I recall James.  You represent well what is wrong with modern Christian movements - convinced of your own infallibility.  Not only is your religion correct and your book the right one, but your interpretation and understanding of it is THE right one.

Vanity is a deadly sin James.  Have the courage to evaluate other people's perspectives and try to be humble enough to consider the possibility that you are wrong.  Jesus may have been the son of God and infallible, but you certainly are not.

[rwarn17588]

Maybe james needs to change his handle to "jamesimpotentrage."

[azbadpuppy]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: You and others have been dodging these questions for days, and I still haven't heard what would be called lucid and logical answers.

For what it's worth, I don't agree that gays are more of a threat than islam.

quote: Could you please provide some facts to back up your statements re: "gay indoctrination"?

http://www.mcpscurriculum.org/resources_parental_rights_violations.shtml
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/youth-and-schools/sex-ed-curriculum
http://www.tldm.org/News11/GaySchoolPlotUnveiled.htm


In other news...

quote: That terrorist was neither a homosexual nor was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.  

Sorry "Tucker", but Timmy was a backslidden Catholic and claimed to be agnostic, and never made any kind of mention that he killed because of his faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McVeigh
He was brainwashed by Nichols with anti-gov't rhetoric and was angry about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Why would "Tucker" make a claim that "an extremist Christian" did the deed when it wasn't??

quote: So, again, what is so dangerous about people being more accepting of homosexuality?  

If someone wants to do something in their own room, thats up to them and they'll have to answer to God for it.
I find it personally objectable and wholly unnatural. I'm offended that while we're watching tv as a family, we're inundated with commericals about shows with gay characters and situations and I don't care to have my kids exposed to the same.

Now answer my questions...
Why does homosexuality have to be publicized so much and taught in schools??
Why do I need to know if someone is gay?? Is it so I can give them some kind of special treatment?
I treat everyone the same. It seems that gays want to make an issue out of it, perhaps self proclaimed victimhood.
So much for "equality".

Sorry but those aren't facts, they are merely websites that obviously are on the far 'right', clearly spouting propaganda and an agenda of their own. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's when the 'opinions' of others impede on my rights to live as a free and equal American that I have a problem with it.

They all claim that schools are trying to 'teach homosexuality'. How exactly does one do that? If they mean that sex-ed classes are trying to teach students of the obvious differences that exist in our society, then I guess I would have to agree with them.

Just because you don't agree with it, or don't want it around doesn't mean it does not exist and will just go away. If that were the case I doubt many people would care to acknowledge our current president in the hopes that he would  dissappear.  

And to answer your questions with my own opinions(and being gay I think I may have a bit more knowledge and experience on this subject than you- just a guess:

Homosexuality is publicized far less than heterosexuality, and is 'promoted' far less in our and every other society I can think of. Again, I'm not quite sure how it is 'taught' in schools, but not acknowledging it would only lead to fear and ignorance on the issue.

I seriously doubt that any gay person cares if you know they are gay, much the same as I doubt you care if anyone knows you are straight. I know I don't. I know who I am and make no apologies for it. I also expect the government and other members of our society to treat me and everyone else equally, which unfortunately does not happen and that is where the problems lie. No 'special treatment' here, just equal treatment.

Just like the civil rights movement in the 60's, the gay rights movement moves forward and will prevail because we live in a dempocratic society that protects the liberties and freedoms of ALL Americans. It may take some time, but it will prevail because it is the right thing to do.

I suspect you, and other who share your beliefs are taught these things in your church. Fine. Believe what you want- no problem and nobody's stopping you. This is why we live in a free society. Remember the part about separation of church and state? That's a good one to live by too since it was set up by our founding fathers, but somehow that has fallen by the wayside....

Please give gay people the same respect. If you don't like something you see on TV, change the channel. I do it every time Bush comes on- it's a pretty simple concept really.

In my world, I am NOT going to hell. In my world, everyone is truly made equal in the eyes of God. In my world, loving your neighbor as yourself is actually something to live by, and not just a catch phrase to use when it suits you.

Now I just have one question for you:

How is it that certain people believe that being gay is a 'lifestyle choice'?

Ok, now I'm gay and I can honestly say this one puzzles me. First of all I know for a fact, since being gay and all, that I was born this way (I love when straight people think they know better than me on this issue). I also know that since I was raised by loving but strict Southern Baptist parents in a very 'traditional' American family that could have been used as the script for "Leave It To  Beaver" that it had nothing to do with my upbringing. It truly perplexes me that anyone with a rational thought process could really think that someone would 'choose' a lifestyle that would cause them to become a pariah, to the point of being physically threatened and verbally abused. Fun stuff indeed.

No, unfortunately I was never given an option. I love who I am and am proud of what I have accomplished, but if given a 'choice', of course I would have opted for the easier one.    

Please fill me in- I truly am curious.

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by azbadpuppy

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: You and others have been dodging these questions for days, and I still haven't heard what would be called lucid and logical answers.

For what it's worth, I don't agree that gays are more of a threat than islam.

quote: Could you please provide some facts to back up your statements re: "gay indoctrination"?

http://www.mcpscurriculum.org/resources_parental_rights_violations.shtml
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/youth-and-schools/sex-ed-curriculum
http://www.tldm.org/News11/GaySchoolPlotUnveiled.htm


In other news...

quote: That terrorist was neither a homosexual nor was he involved in Islam. He was an extremist Christian forcing his views through a body count. He held his beliefs and made those who didn't live up to them pay with their lives.  

Sorry "Tucker", but Timmy was a backslidden Catholic and claimed to be agnostic, and never made any kind of mention that he killed because of his faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_McVeigh
He was brainwashed by Nichols with anti-gov't rhetoric and was angry about Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Why would "Tucker" make a claim that "an extremist Christian" did the deed when it wasn't??

quote: So, again, what is so dangerous about people being more accepting of homosexuality?  

If someone wants to do something in their own room, thats up to them and they'll have to answer to God for it.
I find it personally objectable and wholly unnatural. I'm offended that while we're watching tv as a family, we're inundated with commericals about shows with gay characters and situations and I don't care to have my kids exposed to the same.

Now answer my questions...
Why does homosexuality have to be publicized so much and taught in schools??
Why do I need to know if someone is gay?? Is it so I can give them some kind of special treatment?
I treat everyone the same. It seems that gays want to make an issue out of it, perhaps self proclaimed victimhood.
So much for "equality".

Sorry but those aren't facts, they are merely websites that obviously are on the far 'right', clearly spouting propaganda and an agenda of their own. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's when the 'opinions' of others impede on my rights to live as a free and equal American that I have a problem with it.

They all claim that schools are trying to 'teach homosexuality'. How exactly does one do that? If they mean that sex-ed classes are trying to teach students of the obvious differences that exist in our society, then I guess I would have to agree with them.

Just because you don't agree with it, or don't want it around doesn't mean it does not exist and will just go away. If that were the case I doubt many people would care to acknowledge our current president in the hopes that he would  dissappear.  

And to answer your questions with my own opinions(and being gay I think I may have a bit more knowledge and experience on this subject than you- just a guess:

Homosexuality is publicized far less than heterosexuality, and is 'promoted' far less in our and every other society I can think of. Again, I'm not quite sure how it is 'taught' in schools, but not acknowledging it would only lead to fear and ignorance on the issue.

I seriously doubt that any gay person cares if you know they are gay, much the same as I doubt you care if anyone knows you are straight. I know I don't. I know who I am and make no apologies for it. I also expect the government and other members of our society to treat me and everyone else equally, which unfortunately does not happen and that is where the problems lie. No 'special treatment' here, just equal treatment.

Just like the civil rights movement in the 60's, the gay rights movement moves forward and will prevail because we live in a dempocratic society that protects the liberties and freedoms of ALL Americans. It may take some time, but it will prevail because it is the right thing to do.

I suspect you, and other who share your beliefs are taught these things in your church. Fine. Believe what you want- no problem and nobody's stopping you. This is why we live in a free society. Remember the part about separation of church and state? That's a good one to live by too since it was set up by our founding fathers, but somehow that has fallen by the wayside....

Please give gay people the same respect. If you don't like something you see on TV, change the channel. I do it every time Bush comes on- it's a pretty simple concept really.

In my world, I am NOT going to hell. In my world, everyone is truly made equal in the eyes of God. In my world, loving your neighbor as yourself is actually something to live by, and not just a catch phrase to use when it suits you.

Now I just have one question for you:

How is it that certain people believe that being gay is a 'lifestyle choice'?

Ok, now I'm gay and I can honestly say this one puzzles me. First of all I know for a fact, since being gay and all, that I was born this way (I love when straight people think they know better than me on this issue). I also know that since I was raised by loving but strict Southern Baptist parents in a very 'traditional' American family that could have been used as the script for "Leave It To  Beaver" that it had nothing to do with my upbringing. It truly perplexes me that anyone with a rational thought process could really think that someone would 'choose' a lifestyle that would cause them to become a pariah, to the point of being physically threatened and verbally abused. Fun stuff indeed.

No, unfortunately I was never given an option. I love who I am and am proud of what I have accomplished, but if given a 'choice', of course I would have opted for the easier one.    

Please fill me in- I truly am curious.

And some grow up wanting to be with 10yr olds whats the difference between that and being gay?  Not morals,not choice .... can't one be wrong and one be right.....

and since your not straight , stop telling straight humans how they should think, It goes both ways , no pun intended[]

[FOTD]

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=229474

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007

And some grow up wanting to be with 10yr olds whats the difference between that and being gay?  

The difference is, one wants to be with adults and  one wants to be with children.  Are you daft?  One has to do with consent, and one does not.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by MDepr2007
And some grow up wanting to be with 10yr olds whats the difference between that and being gay?  Not morals,not choice .... can't one be wrong and one be right.....

and since your not straight , stop telling straight humans how they should think, It goes both ways , no pun intended[]

If you can't tell the difference between homosexuality that is between two consenting adults, and pedophilia that is the abuse of a child, then I don't think there is anyone with enough time and energy on this board that can   educate you.

But I think we both know that you do indeed know the difference, but choose to throw a red herring into the conversation.

And as far as telling you how to think, I don't think anyone said you can't think how want: believe the world is flat, the universe revolves around Earth, or whatever you choose to believe.

Azbadpuppy was speaking from his experience of being gay of which you can't attest to how it feels (I presume here) and whether he or anyone else "chose" a lifestyle or whether it's a orientation and as immutable as the color of someone's hair or whether they are left-handed or right-handed.

As for me, I'm happy to be gay because I've truly learned how to appreciate people for who they are on the inside.  There was a time that I would have given anything to be straight, but once I learned to accept who I am then I've learned what a blessing it can be to truly have to work for everything in life and not take anything for granted, including equality in the law.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth


If you can't tell the difference between homosexuality that is between two consenting adults, and pedophilia that is the abuse of a child, then I don't think there is anyone with enough time and energy on this board that can   educate you.

+1

Please note the trend on here of people speaking in favor of tolerance and equality are using logic and rational statements.  Most of those who profess the morale high ground are comparing homosexuals to people who intentionally harm children and offering divisiveness, belittlement, and judgment.  If you want it to be a religious argument - which side of that equation sounds more like what Jesus would do?

If this is outside the realm of religion, then the logical arguments presented from those that SHOULD be more emotionally invested are much more convincing than "the Bible said it is wrong."  

And if it is an emotional argument or merely an opinion, than the rights of people to be equal and free so-long-as those rights do not infringe on your rights trump your meager opinion.

[azbadpuppy]

[/quote]

And some grow up wanting to be with 10yr olds whats the difference between that and being gay?  Not morals,not choice .... can't one be wrong and one be right.....

and since your not straight , stop telling straight humans how they should think, It goes both ways , no pun intended[]

[/quote]

Actually, the vast majority of pedophiles are identified as 'straight', but honestly I don't think they are straight or gay- just disgusting.

I wasn't telling anyone how to think; it was more like encouraging people to think.

Ironically, your misinformed and maligned post only proved my points, which I doubt you intended but thanks anyway.

[MDepr2007]

I'm not the one who put the "do" in the situation. I mentioned the "want" , which is the want of the 2 examples not the doing.
Both have a desire for something perverted and I guess the only difference is the age and consent.....