Can Tulsa meet the new ozone standard?

[YoungTulsan]

So are the penalties worse the further you exceed the limit?  Or should we just say screw it and go balls-out with our polluting now?

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by T-Town Now

The City of Tulsa needs to spend a lot of time synching the traffic lights. Idling cars pollute at much higher levels than cars that are at speed.

Traffic lights should be timed so that morning and evening rush hour traffic flows are given priority. Time after time, I've seen 50 or 60 cars sit idling at lights so that one or two cars can go through.

This alone would save tons of gas and considerably reduce pollution in Tulsa.

Could they perhaps have two or three different timings for different times of the day?  I'd love to have timed/sensor hybrids, where I didn't have to wait 3 minutes at a traffic light at 10pm when I am the only person at the intersection.  Sure, the cross-street has lots of traffic at 8am and 5pm, but not the rest of the time!

[Double A]

Start by bringing back vehicle inspections. How about emission controls on construction equipment and heavy machinery. Maybe emission controls on generators would help too? It's gonna hurt and be costly, but we're gonna have to make the tough choices now or it will be even more costly later. This is just like the street issue, we have been doing just enough to get by and it's finally come back to bite us in the a**. I told you so.

[RecycleMichael]

We had a good discussion on vehicle inspections today as well. There is no way to get them back this legislative session, but I think someone needs to start priming the state officials on this topic now.

[mrhaskellok]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

We had a good discussion on vehicle inspections today as well. There is no way to get them back this legislative session, but I think someone needs to start priming the state officials on this topic now.

I know a few personally, I will make that my task for this session...it may be too late for this year, but perhaps we can make something happen for next year.  

We need a petition Michael.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

We had a good discussion on vehicle inspections today as well. There is no way to get them back this legislative session, but I think someone needs to start priming the state officials on this topic now.

You are so proactive.[sarcasm off] That's something that could have and should have been done years ago. I guess our environmental stewards were out to lunch or to chickens*#t to advocate for the real changes needed to overt this crisis well in advance. When will Tulsa learn how to get ahead of the game? BTW, I've been suggesting this here for quite some time now, but the discussion is just starting today? Any legislative action can't be taken for another year until the next session? Pathetic.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Double A


You are so proactive.[sarcasm off]

I don't really think talking about it on a forum is any more proactive...

[mrhaskellok]

quote: BTW, I've been suggesting this here for quite some time now, but the discussion is just starting today? Any legislative action can't be taken for another year until the next session? Pathetic.

Sorry, I just got here.  []

Lets have lunch, you, me and Micheal and come up with a plan of action.

[RecycleMichael]

I went to the legislature and spoke to most of the Tulsa contingent about the inspection stickers the year they stopped doing it. I tried to lobby the car insurance industry into giving support I got a legislator to suggest a two year tag that would have raised the price enough to make the stations continue to do the work.

What did you do, doublea?

***** to the forum and whine that whatever we are doing is pathetic...That is all you ever do...besides attack me and write "I told you so"...

No thanks to any lunch that includes doublea. I don't think whine should be served with lunch...

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I went to the legislature and spoke to most of the Tulsa contingent about the inspection stickers the year they stopped doing it. I tried to lobby the car insurance industry into giving support I got a legislator to suggest a two year tag that would have raised the price enough to make the stations continue to do the work.

What did you do, doublea?

***** to the forum and whine that whatever we are doing is pathetic...That is all you ever do...besides attack me and write "I told you so"...

No thanks to any lunch that includes doublea. I don't think whine should be served with lunch...

No whine with lunch for Spincycle, but he'll have everything else on the menu.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by T-Town Now

The City of Tulsa needs to spend a lot of time synching the traffic lights. Idling cars pollute at much higher levels than cars that are at speed.

Traffic lights should be timed so that morning and evening rush hour traffic flows are given priority. Time after time, I've seen 50 or 60 cars sit idling at lights so that one or two cars can go through.

This alone would save tons of gas and considerably reduce pollution in Tulsa.

Even better, 86 traffic lights.

Also, challenge improperly timed lights.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by mrhaskellok

Out of curiosity,  is there anyone IN the municipality that is advocating smaller roads and fewer lanes to promote a more sustainable community?
Big box retailers are the worse...they encourage huge amounts of traffic from a large diameter of area to converge on a few roads.  Smaller neighborhood friendly units are smarter in the long run.
My thoughts are that we can greatly decrease the amount of driving we do by placing our Wal-Mart's closer to our homes.[]

Yeah, right.  You must be one of those sustainable Car Nazis, trying to make car driving MORE inconvenient.  :-P

Hey, while we are at it, let's 86 free parking too?  Naaaaaaah.  Forget it.

Donald Shoup, The High Cost of Free Parking, Planners Press, 2005.

[mrhaskellok]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by mrhaskellok

Out of curiosity,  is there anyone IN the municipality that is advocating smaller roads and fewer lanes to promote a more sustainable community?
Big box retailers are the worse...they encourage huge amounts of traffic from a large diameter of area to converge on a few roads.  Smaller neighborhood friendly units are smarter in the long run.
My thoughts are that we can greatly decrease the amount of driving we do by placing our Wal-Mart's closer to our homes.[]

Yeah, right.  You must be one of those sustainable Car Nazis, trying to make car driving MORE inconvenient.  :-P

Hey, while we are at it, let's 86 free parking too?  Naaaaaaah.  Forget it.

Donald Shoup, The High Cost of Free Parking, Planners Press, 2005.

Lol, are you being sarcastic?

If not, what is wrong with a group of free people, creating a government together, voting on  representatives who can take the will of those people and turn it into general law?  And lets suppose that same group of free people does not want to pay 1 billion annually on road repair so they determine amongst themselves to create laws that require certain things be done differently that will cause that 1 billion number to drop.

I have heard of this kind of model before, seems a little too "free" to make sense.  After all, free people are not smart enough to govern themselves, that is why we elect smarter people than us to office.  

For the record, I am now being sarcastic.  []

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