Obama and Wright

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quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Wriiiiiiiiiiigggghhht.

Whiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhht.(sp.)

[Conan71]

Was HufPo seriously the only outlet who covered this speech?  Where were CNN, MSNBC, Fox, USA Today, WaPo, etc.?

[cannon_fodder]

This man gets it right sometimes, but sometimes monkeys can pick stocks better than the pros.  This ministers views are clearly off base on more than one occasion.  He not only buys into conspiracy theories, but seems to actually copy the rhetoric of "Ras the Exhorter."  (bonus points if you get the references without Google)

- America's support for Israel is another example of White Racism.

- "Minister Farrakhan is among the greatest American's of all time" (I won't bother listing that man's deeds)

- "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color"

- "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America..."

- "Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

- "Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!...We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

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My problem here is that Barrack did not distance himself from these comments until he was "caught."  He kept going to the church and still claims the man as a close friend.  The guy is a lose cannon for sure.

Not a death knell in my book, my certainly a smudge on that shiny armor.

[edit]
Oh, and my favorite thing thus far has been Hillary's response to Barrack's speech:

"I did not hear it nor have I read a transcript, but I'm glad he gave it.  Race and Gender issues have been important to our country..."

Oh... I see what you did there.[/edit]

[Conan71]

Is Obama so deft as to not understand that every single facet of his life was going to come under the public microscope?  There is no way in 20 years that Rev. Wright's rhetoric was going in one ear and out the other.

I think he's starting to figure out what other former opponents already know:  the Clintons play dirty.  Especially Hillary.

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You guys love Pat Buchanan

[we vs us]

The guy writes and delivers a good speech. He's a rare talent.  

Can anyone find a full length vid of it?  All I'm getting are highlights or the text version.  I want to see him actually speak the speech.

[RecycleMichael]

I have watched most of the you tube snippets of the speech and watched the coverage on two of the networks...it was a good speech.

He needed to address the relationship with his ex-pastor. He wanted to talk about race.

He combined them together and did a good job. Maybe this will help to push that issue in the past.

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quote:Originally posted by we vs us

The guy writes and delivers a good speech. He's a rare talent.  

Can anyone find a full length vid of it?  All I'm getting are highlights or the text version.  I want to see him actually speak the speech.

The Huffington Post link listed by rwarn has it....another great one.

[Conan71]

The Wright and Rezco relationships have been kicking around for awhile.  I'm curious why Hillary's campaign didn't seize on these issues prior to Super Tuesday?  

Or is this well-calculated by the Clintons, so Hillary didn't get dismissed as a racist by the populace, but will try to sway the super-delegates by scaring them into thinking a few more bones might fall out of the closet once it comes down to Obama and McCain?

[RecycleMichael]

I just watched it in on CSpan. It was quite different from his big campaign speeches. He was soft-spoken and reflective.

It was a great speech.

[we vs us]

Yeah.  Wow.  He's really just a fantastic communicator.  I know I sound all starry eyed but sheesh.  His precision with language is really leaps and bounds beyond the other two in this race.

[Hometown]

I saw the speech on Cspan.

You know, I think of the toothless greedy bumpkins that show up on Election Day to cast their votes, and the catchy short simple phrases that capture their attention and I don't know if Obama has delivered that simple answer.  News spin will tell us a lot about how successful he has been.  And it is early and memories are short.

The speech reached for some very complicated answers.  I liked the links to White poverty.  But I think his hope that this will be the election when we turn our attention to issues instead of gamesmanship is wishful thinking.  I would prefer to see him accept the inevitable and be prepared to fight the battle at hand instead of the battle of ideas where he feels more comfortable.  The speech was more of an exposition of life as we find it than a plan of action.

[pmcalk]

The greatest line I have heard came from John Stewart tonight:  "he spoke to us about race like we were adults."

The real question now will be if we act like adults.

He said exactly what I would have wanted him to say.  The words that were spoken in his church are spoken throughout the country in African American churches.  We can dismiss it, but it will not go away.  Nor can we dismiss the anger among poorer white men, who feel that another's gain is their loss.

Hometown, I am sorry that you have become so cynical to simply accept what you see as inevitable.  I am not young, and I am not naive.  But I do firmly believe in Ghandi's words:  You must be the change you wish to see in the world.  If you turn your attention to the issues and away from the gamesmanship, then one more person will have brought about change.  And just maybe you'll convince one more person to do the same.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Was HufPo seriously the only outlet who covered this speech?  Where were CNN, MSNBC, Fox, USA Today, WaPo, etc.?

I streamed it live on CNN while I was at work this morning - should be there

[Hometown]

PMCaulk, whether or not a Democrat occupies the White House is literally a matter of life and death for people here at home and around the World.  

It was the Geraldine's vice presidential candidacy that soured me on symbolic votes.  A symbolic vote is a wasted vote.  I believe the stakes are so high that our candidate must be prepared to face the fight that he or she is about to enter.  

Someone who has the fire in the belly will have already crafted a strategy that deals with the real world.  Obama is flying by the seat of his pants in that regard.  He has not played this race any differently than other politicians before him, he has just been slow to learn and react.

I don't take any pleasure in seeing this painful playing out of the election cycle.  But it reminds me of Kerry and Swift Boat and how very angry I am with Kerry for not being prepared for the obvious.  Because of his incompetence lives have literally been destroyed while he has lived the life of a rich man.

I've heard Obama supporters make remarks like, "If he enters the fight he will be just like any other politician."  Well, hello.  What do you think he is?  The second coming?  

I'm not an Independent – fair weather friend.  I'm a Democrat at the start and I'll be a Democrat at the end.  And I will support our candidate with enthusiasm and have Obama signs in my yard if that is what it comes down to.